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Companion Influence 1 Point Per Kill

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Companion Influence 1 Point Per Kill

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Barleron
12.01.2015 , 09:50 PM | #1
Its simple, each kill made with a companion garners 1 influence point for that companion. Other variations could be 1 point for each silver/gold mob killed, or 1 point for silver mob and 2 points for gold mob.

It makes sense -- this way your companion's influence truly will grow the more time you spend with them.

With 250k max influence, I don't think it will imbalance the gifting and conversation (approve/disapprove) systems.
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-Myk-
12.02.2015 , 12:36 AM | #2
I like this idea, if nothing else allow this for the special companions like Akk Dog that do not gain influence from conversations.

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Hebruixe
12.02.2015 , 04:04 AM | #3
i like it too
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Jedi_riches
12.02.2015 , 05:07 AM | #4
This idea makes sense and would also give options on raising influence on companions that don't gain any via conversations or questing.
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JamieKirby
12.02.2015 , 05:25 AM | #5
I am sure the players that make a bucket load of credits on the GTN via selling rank 6 legendary gifts....but i personally love the idea.

It would also give more of a reason to use each character instead of using only a single companion, unless the class quest requires a specific one.

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Jedi_riches
12.02.2015 , 05:32 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by JamieKirby View Post
It would also give more of a reason to use each character instead of using only a single companion, unless the class quest requires a specific one.
Plus as I realised recently the influence gain (none gift) is only most beneficial for your first companion (maybe 2nd in the case of Knight since Kira comes right at the end), as I was playing my warrior, I got Vette up to level 13 faily easy even while still on DK but when I picked up Jaesa at the end of chapter 1 she was a rank 1 noob, who was nowhere near as good as Vette without a shedload of gifts to bring her to the same level.

So influence really works best for those companions that you have right at the beginning of the game.
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JacksonMo
12.02.2015 , 06:34 AM | #7
Interesting idea. Don't think OP realizes how slow that rate will be.
Go to your achievements window and look under companions.
There's an achievement specifically for the # of kills per companion, and it has taken me AGES to complete.
This would be one of the very few instances F2P might have an advantage over subs. If you only have one or two characters, but log the same questing hours that I do, your points will be concentrated on a handful of companions.
By contrast, my kill-influence points will be spread out over 23 characters.

Can we amend your idea to scale to legacy level? As legacy level goes up, so does your influence per kill?
At 50 each it would take 5,000 kills to reach max. Still more than high enough not to tank the market for companion gifts.

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Muljo_Stpho
12.02.2015 , 10:02 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Jedi_riches View Post
Plus as I realised recently the influence gain (none gift) is only most beneficial for your first companion (maybe 2nd in the case of Knight since Kira comes right at the end), as I was playing my warrior, I got Vette up to level 13 faily easy even while still on DK but when I picked up Jaesa at the end of chapter 1 she was a rank 1 noob, who was nowhere near as good as Vette without a shedload of gifts to bring her to the same level.

So influence really works best for those companions that you have right at the beginning of the game.
If they added the 1 influence per kill the result would kind of depend on how you play. Do you sneak around / stealth through mobs when you can or do you clear out everything that gets in your way? Do you go out of your way to go after the bonuses on missions? Depending on where you're at in the game, mob density and respawn rates might be higher or lower, which affects how much gets in your way.

In conquests, for the heroics and a rampage on the same planet I've had times where I hit the 250 kills before I was done with all of the heroics and I've had times where I wasn't quite there yet after running them all. In either case though, if I could have been earning affection/influence along the way? That's 250 points, give or take. Compare that to conversations, where the total that you see in the mission reward window might be something like 500 or 1000 or 2000 or maybe more. Compare to gifts, which vary depending on type, quality, and the companion's preferences but you can see numbers all the way up to 2048 from a single gift.

The kills could add up in the long run (250k kills = max influence with zero needed from conversations or gifts, however unreasonable as that target would be to reach), but we're talking roughly the time it takes to run a planet's heroics (without rushing them) and getting around 250 kills along the way being worth about the same as a conversation that the companion barely responded to or giving a, hold on a second...
loved rank 1 blue to a rank1-5 companion
loved rank 2 blue to a rank6-9 companion
loved rank 3 blue to a rank10-14 companion
loved rank 4 blue to a rank15-19 companion
loved rank 5 blue to a rank20-29 companion
loved rank 6 blue to a rank30-39 companion
loved rank 1 purple to a rank20-29 companion
loved rank 2 purple to a rank30-39 companion
loved rank 3 purple to a rank40-49 companion

Just to give some perspective to how much difference this suggestion could make.

Quote: Originally Posted by JacksonMo View Post
Can we amend your idea to scale to legacy level? As legacy level goes up, so does your influence per kill?
At 50 each it would take 5,000 kills to reach max. Still more than high enough not to tank the market for companion gifts.
Legacy? At that kind of rate? Sounds way too hopeful. I could imagine it scaling with influence rank, basically just balancing against the scale of how many points are between one tier of ranks and the next (like in the gift chart, 10-14 bracket vs 15-19 bracket). At rank 10 you're at 10,000 influence and at rank 15 you're at 22,500 influence. Difference of 12,500. Compare 1-5 vs 6-9. At rank 1 you're at 0 influence and at rank 6 you're at 3,600 influence. Difference of 3,600. It's about 3.47 times as far from 10 to 15 as it is from 1 to 6. They could scale up to 3 influence per kill in the rank10-14 range and the rate would only be a bit slower than going through the rank1-5 range at 1 influence per kill.

Hmmm... I just looked at those numbers for the 6-9 range as well and 2 influence per kill would actually make that range a bit quicker to level through compared to the range before it. Anyway, if the rates follow that pattern the high end for influence per kill would be 7 points in the 40-49 range. (Technically 8 above that, but you're already at the max at that point.) 50 per kill in any range would be crazy fast by comparison.

(Off topic: Pink still doesn't sound right as describing the artifact quality items. Those items are purple. At the most, in comparison to the rich/deep purple / very dark blue of the legendary quality items, artifact items look like a slightly light/pale purple. It's the shade of purple paired with pink in the pink+purple dye pack. It's not pink. (Just a thought when looking at the chart on that page.))

EDIT: Threw the numbers around in a spreadsheet real quick and came up with this:
Through the 1 to 5 range is 3,600 inf, which would be 3,600 kills at 1 inf/kill.
Through the 6 to 9 range is 6,400 inf, which would be 3,200 kills at 2 inf/kill.
Through the 10 to 14 range is 12,500 inf, which would be 4,167 kills at 3 inf/kill.
Through the 15 to 19 range is 17,500 inf, which would be 4,375 kills at 4 inf/kill.
Through the 20 to 29 range is 50,000 inf, which would be 10,000 kills at 5 inf/kill.
Through the 30 to 39 range is 70,000 inf, which would be 11,667 kills at 6 inf/kill.
Through the 40 to 49 range is 90,000 inf, which would be 12,857 kills at 7 inf/kill.

Alternately, with the suggestion of legacy level allowing up to 50 inf/kill, those ranges would fly by in 72 kills, 128 kills, 250 kills, 350 kills, 1,000 kills, 1,400 kills, and 1,800 kills. (Grand total 5,000 kills.)

(The numbers are kind of daunting and in that slow influence tier based buildup, but remember that this is not standing alone as the only method to build influence. We would still have conversations and gifts on top of this. We'd earn a few thousand points here and a few thousand points there as we go through story and as we dump gifts on them.)
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SteveTheCynic
12.02.2015 , 11:03 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Muljo_Stpho View Post
(Off topic: Pink still doesn't sound right as describing the artifact quality items. Those items are purple. At the most, in comparison to the rich/deep purple / very dark blue of the legendary quality items, artifact items look like a slightly light/pale purple. It's the shade of purple paired with pink in the pink+purple dye pack. It's not pink. (Just a thought when looking at the chart on that page.))
The word you are looking for is "magenta", not "pink", although magenta is in that uncomfortable space between purple and pink.
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Barleron
12.02.2015 , 07:55 PM | #10
Thanks for all the positive feedback, additional suggestions, and variations.

If it were only 1 inf/kill it certainly would take a long time to increase your influence level solely through killing mobs. The base idea was for it to be a supplement to the other forms of building influence, and to more accurately reflect the goal of building influence with a companion based on the amount of time you spend with him/her. Especially for the companions and alliance members that do not get influence from conversations.

I like the idea of having the inf/kill ratio increase with each companion's influence level -- that was a grand suggestion by Muljo_Stpho building off of JacksonMo's legacy level idea. The base amount could be:
  • 1 inf/ normal mob kill;
  • 2 inf/ silver mob kill;
  • 3 inf/ gold mob kill;
  • 4 inf/ mini-boss kill; and
  • 5 inf/ boss kill.
At every 5 levels of influence the base amount increases by 1. This way the mob difficulty also plays a part in how your influence grows.

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