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What some don't understand about Neutrality.

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What some don't understand about Neutrality.

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Kikilicious
03.01.2012 , 11:51 PM | #121
There's an empty area in the fleet. You know the spot where the LS/DS vendors are, as well as teh speeders and GTM? There's an empty area, right in the middle of the LS/DS. They may add somethign there, just hope for it.


But I started out as neutral, but I found myself going towards more ligth side, so I said screw it, I'll go light. I'm up to light 3 atm, but I'm just going to go with whatever feels right to me from now on.
Asania Tapfer'keit : Chiss : Bounty Hunter : Powertech

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NikPer
03.02.2012 , 06:07 AM | #122
Is there any way of being evil without being homicidal maniac, who goes on killing rapages every now and then? The only way of being evil as far as I can see it, is just go around and kill everybody even if that hurts your faction(I'm talking about sith here). Sometimes i get light side points for choosing options that will benefit the Empire as oposed to usually killing someone which would grant me the dark side point... Not really sure I get this alligment thing...

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Djspyder
03.02.2012 , 06:11 PM | #123
You Know there Are often options in conversations that have No Ls or Ds points right?... those ARE the neutral choices.

Sometimes they make sense sometimes not so much.

When It comes to jedi/sith I think Taking a Straight line path(light or dark) makes perfect sense. Since Most jedi/sith Either Go Dark or Light/Good Or evil, They USUALLY ARE that Black and White... with FEW exceptions In SW lore.

For Other classes I Do agree there Should be an alternative to LS/DS Relics, But Those items can be added without making a huge change to the alignment system, Which IMO works, its not perfect but it seems to make sense lore wise, AND since Relics are the ONLY NON-COSMETIC items that are actually effected by it, adding an alternative to them should to work fine.

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Kikilicious
03.02.2012 , 11:38 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by NikPer View Post
Is there any way of being evil without being homicidal maniac, who goes on killing rapages every now and then? The only way of being evil as far as I can see it, is just go around and kill everybody even if that hurts your faction(I'm talking about sith here). Sometimes i get light side points for choosing options that will benefit the Empire as oposed to usually killing someone which would grant me the dark side point... Not really sure I get this alligment thing...
I read something similar to this over on the Bounty Hunter Forums, but this is what they said:

Playing as a Bounty Hunter, your job is to complete a contract. You can choose to kill a bounty, or carbonize them. What you do is inherently evil. However, you can still go by a code of conduct and treat non-bounties with respect and act like a true Mandalorian.
Asania Tapfer'keit : Chiss : Bounty Hunter : Powertech

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Katahn
03.05.2012 , 06:42 AM | #125
Two of my characters have internal codes of honor they follow and what I decided to do was to pick whether they were light side or dark side and to always pick that alignment choice unless it violates their code of honor.

My Juggernaut is Dark Side with an internal code of honor that is centered around promoting order and the stability and prosperity of the Empire. So long as a dark side choice doesn't violate his code of honor, I take it. He's level 30+ now and still DS II (although very solidly so).

My Powertech is Light Side with the typical Bounty Hunter's code of "a contract is a contract". He won't double-cross his employers and he will do what is required to complete a contract. So long as a LS choice doesn't involve him violating that code that's what he takes.

Honestly though, this is a workaround to the limitations of the current system. I shouldn't have to think "do X unless it breaks the character". It is too metagame IMHO. While it would be great to add a "grey" vendor the far simpler approach would be to change the LS and DS gear from "requires alignment X" to "barred to opposite alignment 5-X" (so dark 2 required becomes barred to light 3). Neutral can wear anything, and the slightly dark or slightly light are limited to light or dark gear for reasons of practicality.
Katahn
- Just an aging geek that remembers seeing Ep4 in the theater as a kid and knows that Han shot first!

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NikPer
03.05.2012 , 07:30 AM | #126
Here are two quests on Korriban that got me puzzled.

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Dorelaii
04.09.2012 , 07:43 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by snooggums View Post
'Going neutral' makes zero logical sense on a decision by decision basis in any possible scenario in this game. The system is too simple to represent the kind of alignment you are trying for, and doing a mix of good and evil is actually evil in the greater scheme of things.

For example, if you want to be neutral, and you decide to kill some puppies and balance it with helping puppies at a later time, you are actually still evil because you killed puppies. The situations where there is a good reason to kill someone in one set of circumstances and save them in another simply aren't there in the available options because intent doesn't really matter.

The only reason for someone to end up neutral is because they are actively balancing their alignment externally from the decisions they are selecting. I'd love a more complex system that hid the alignment altogether (and removed alignment gear but NPCs responded to you based on your actions, such as making gear available due to reputation). That isn't in this game, and the players who are trying to be neutral are trying to force an ideal that doesn't fit into the alignment system.

There does need to be more gear without alignment restrictions that are equal to the alignment gear, don't get me wrong. I'm saying the 'problem' exists because players don't understand that they are trying to force a square peg in a round hole.
The thinking on this is far to extreme, it's not a +/- issue or do this to balance this. It's a What would you do in this instance.... Would I assasinate a bag of defensless kittens to save a family, you betcha... I'd throw them in a blender and make a tabby shake! Neutral is more like the lesser of two evils or what serves my best interest at the moment, sort of like Voteing.

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Guildrum
04.09.2012 , 12:24 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by NikPer View Post
Here are two quests on Korriban that got me puzzled.

Spoiler
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sharkfinsix
04.09.2012 , 04:01 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Latorn View Post
If they don't:

A lot of people not getting relics = gimped characters = people quitting game or rerolling and choosing light or dark choice every time = loss of subscription + loss of games unique feature.
i am neutral, i have relics....just not from the alignment vendors.

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Trobon
04.09.2012 , 09:35 PM | #130
This really isn't as big a deal as people make it out to be. It's not as if there is no way to gain alignment very quickly. I have played an IA up to 30+ and have only barely hit Light I because I make my own choices based on what I feel is right., but if it were really a concern to me I could easily grind Light Side points in Black Talon without any thought.

Black Talon gives around 200 LS/DS points. Even if you started at absolute 0 on the scale you could make it in 50 runs. Since relics really aren't that big a deal before 50 (I leveled a JK to 50 without them easily) by the time you would even need to consider this "problem" you can do a BT run in 15 minutes tops. Yes, that means it would take a whole 12 and a half hours to max out one side or the other from 0. And that's only if your so very, very concerned about getting the absolute best relics, which honestly are not that big of a deal.

Now personally, I don't think it would be a terrible thing if they added neutral gear, but that doesn't solve the "issue" whatsoever. In that case do I have to make sure my score is less than 1000 either way? I still have to choose not to go too far light or dark. It still "limits my choices". And in the end I would need to grind one way or another if I want to choose based on my character.
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