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It will be fun to see huttball evolve.

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It will be fun to see huttball evolve.

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SwOllenEye
12.25.2011 , 05:58 PM | #1
Have you ever watched a bunch of 10 year old kids play soccer? At its best, a peewee soccer game is a mob of 10 kids all surrounding the ball as it slowly moves from one end of the field to the other. At its worst, half of the kids are wandering around picking dandelions or their noses.


This is exactly the level of huttball we are currently seeing/participating in. The best "teamwork" consists of a group of players all surrounding the ball, hopefully with a couple tanks and healers mixed in, slowly walking the ball to the goal. At its worst you see single players dueling each other (picking their noses) in random corners of the map, contributing absolutely nothing to their team.


Just like you wouldn't judge the entire sport of soccer based on how a group of 3rd graders play it, you should not judge Huttball based on how you and your inexperienced noobish teamates play it.


It's quite obvious that high-level huttball will evolve to be less and less about gathering your entire team together for one long slow push to the goal. That is not coordination. That is not teamwork. Huttball is a game about creating space, controlling key locations, and quickly moving and passing the ball. Considering the map layout, the movement debuff and waiting for fire traps, it might take 3 minutes to run the ball from the middle to a goal line. If your team is already set up on the catwalks and at the goal line, you could potentially pass the ball 3 times and score in less than 30 seconds.

Getting frustrated that you keep getting cc'd on top of a fire trap as you run the ball?

Pass it.

If there's nobody on your team in a good forward position to pass to, it's just because you're playing with the gamer equivalents of 3rd graders. Don't worry though! We'll all grow up eventually.


Edit: It will also be interesting to see if Empire ends up dominating this warzone. After all, if there are more empire players on each server, and huttball is the only same-faction warzone, then the que system will often be forced to match imps against each other in a huttball match or not give them anything at all. If they play more huttball, will they eventually get better at it? time will tell.

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Dragongit
12.25.2011 , 06:06 PM | #2
except in 3rd Grade soccer you don't have 5 inquisitors stunlocking you or knocking you back to the point where you can't even throw the ball to someone else. If there are ways to exploit a game, it will be exploited.
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Morbidheresy
12.25.2011 , 06:16 PM | #3
lol i love the analogy. i actually watched a kids soccer game last week and was thinking how much better it is than pro soccer because they actually do unconventional things (they actually shoot the ball often, something you dont see in real soccer). That's what huttball is right now. Hopefully people can embrace it and get better, but not to the point where everything is so calculated and cookie-cuttered that it becomes the equivalent of pro soccer.

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Crimsane
12.25.2011 , 06:27 PM | #4
Extrication onto ledge in easy scoring range -> Force Shroud + Speed, score, repeat until game is over. I haven't seen anyone even realize it's the Sorc pulling the ballcarrier up, lol. They're all too busy skirmishing and chasing glowing lights.

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ChokeForce
12.25.2011 , 06:45 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by SwOllenEye View Post
Have you ever watched a bunch of 10 year old kids play soccer? At its best, a peewee soccer game is a mob of 10 kids all surrounding the ball as it slowly moves from one end of the field to the other. At its worst, half of the kids are wandering around picking dandelions or their noses.


This is exactly the level of huttball we are currently seeing/participating in. The best "teamwork" consists of a group of players all surrounding the ball, hopefully with a couple tanks and healers mixed in, slowly walking the ball to the goal. At its worst you see single players dueling each other (picking their noses) in random corners of the map, contributing absolutely nothing to their team.


Just like you wouldn't judge the entire sport of soccer based on how a group of 3rd graders play it, you should not judge Huttball based on how you and your inexperienced noobish teamates play it.


It's quite obvious that high-level huttball will evolve to be less and less about gathering your entire team together for one long slow push to the goal. That is not coordination. That is not teamwork. Huttball is a game about creating space, controlling key locations, and quickly moving and passing the ball. Considering the map layout, the movement debuff and waiting for fire traps, it might take 3 minutes to run the ball from the middle to a goal line. If your team is already set up on the catwalks and at the goal line, you could potentially pass the ball 3 times and score in less than 30 seconds.

Getting frustrated that you keep getting cc'd on top of a fire trap as you run the ball?

Pass it.

If there's nobody on your team in a good forward position to pass to, it's just because you're playing with the gamer equivalents of 3rd graders. Don't worry though! We'll all grow up eventually.


Edit: It will also be interesting to see if Empire ends up dominating this warzone. After all, if there are more empire players on each server, and huttball is the only same-faction warzone, then the que system will often be forced to match imps against each other in a huttball match or not give them anything at all. If they play more huttball, will they eventually get better at it? time will tell.

If you got awards for picking up the ball
Passing the ball
Scoring
Killing the player with the ball

The game would be alot better.
Currently it is just a SEE WHO CAN DO THE MOST DAMAGE AND GET MORE REWARDS type of thing. Half the team realise damage = more xp and commendations and wont even participate.

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ChokeForce
12.25.2011 , 06:47 PM | #6
Also: GIVE US A PROPER HUTTBALL LEAGUE!! I want to queue with my guild mates, not a bunch of no skilled uncoordinated *** hats.

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Zeritel
12.25.2011 , 07:27 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by ChokeForce View Post
If you got awards for picking up the ball
Passing the ball
Scoring
Killing the player with the ball

The game would be alot better.
Currently it is just a SEE WHO CAN DO THE MOST DAMAGE AND GET MORE REWARDS type of thing. Half the team realise damage = more xp and commendations and wont even participate.
I completely agree here.

My main is a tank spec shadow and out of all the pvp matches huttball is the one I feel like I contribute most in. With the fast dash and my high mitigation I never have problems carrying the ball myself, or helping out a ball carrier with knock backs, stuns, and ofcorse guard.

Problem is even at the end of the match, if I score multiple goals, make some amazing yard gain passes at the brink of death, or sacrifice my entire lifebar to keep the ball carrier going I get no objective points for it, and no medals!

Points should be awarded for defending/assaulting the carrier for sure (maybe time in proximity based awards like the defender medals in Alderan) in addition to what you mentioned above.

Bottom line, as it is right now there's just not enough incentive to actually play the huttball game when you're in the arena, and that needs to change.