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Trooper Rank Structure

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Trooper Rank Structure

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Captain_Lurker
12.25.2011 , 06:29 PM | #11
I believe the codex entry for Republic military ranks is in Fort Garnik. You need to inspect a flag (glowing) by a "archway" between the Cantina and the military base (the Trooper specific area). The flag is on the Cantina side of the "archway" on the same side as the cantina.

On the subject of the rank situation. I dont think Star Wars: Old Republic differentiates between Commissioned and Non-Commissioned Officers. It seems that possibly from basic Trooper on up it is very much like the modern military officers. Even basic Troopers might be more like the modern equivelant of "specialist" and Sergent and up are more similar to Commisioned officers. Or it is just another poorly done military-esque creation.

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MacPJ
12.25.2011 , 09:36 PM | #12
As an IRL NCO myself, I understand exactly what the OP is talking about, it also irks me on the occasionaly cutscene. Sadly, it looks like it's just poor writing on Bioware's part to include real ranks without fully understanding the rank structure.

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Wilford
12.25.2011 , 10:52 PM | #13
If anything it is closer to the British military not American.

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SpeckledHen
12.26.2011 , 12:09 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by RuQu View Post
... It does say you went to the Academy and graduated top of your class, so I guess Sergeant is an officer in the Republic military.

Regardless, since they are using real world ranks in a non-standard way, a Codex entry is a small price to ask to clarify.
This was the most confusing part, to me. I think in the star wars universe republic troopers (or maybe just ncos) are so highly trained that they have to go through an academy rather than just boot camp and specialist school. Still does not explain why fleet officers are deferring to trooper sergeants.

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Estiroth
12.26.2011 , 12:14 AM | #15
In the Republic, Sergeant is below LT and above Ensign. What's the problem again?
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SpeckledHen
12.26.2011 , 12:15 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by RuQu View Post
What is going on with these ranks? As a sergeant my trooper was demanding salutes, despite this not being an officer rank. Later in the Trooper line, an NPC ensign (the first officer rank in the Navy) calls a Sergeant (a mid-level non-officer rank in the non-Navy services) "Sir" and acts as though she is his superior.

It would be good if there was a codec entry for Troopers at the start that explained the rank structure, because as a member of the military IRL, I find the use of military ranks and terms in this game very confusing. It wouldn't be a problem if they were made up ranks, like some of the Imperial ranks, but using real world ranks in a non-conventional way with no explanation makes it seem as though it is a writing mistake.
Ok, I found this:

Republic Military Ranks

It looks like even in the codex ensign is above sergeant. So I guess it is just sloppy writing.

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SpeckledHen
12.26.2011 , 12:17 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Estiroth View Post
In the Republic, Sergeant is below LT and above Ensign. What's the problem again?
The game's codex says otherwise. Is that the case in other lore (say from novels etc.)?

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RuQu
12.26.2011 , 12:20 AM | #18
So I went to Ord Mantell and tracked down the referenced flag Lore Object. The ranks, in highest to lowest order are as follows, with Army/Navy if there is a difference:

Supreme Commander
General/Admiral
Colonel/Commodore
Major/Group Captain
Captain
Lieutenant
Ensign
Sergeant/Petty Officer
Corporal
Specialist
Private

It says "Sir" and salutes are given to those above you, with no enlisted/commissioned distinction, so when you have the option to demand a salute as a Sergeant from some Privates that is fine. What is still incorrect is an Ensign calling a Sergeant "Sir," as happens in a trooper quest on Taris.

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Captain_Lurker
12.26.2011 , 01:02 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by RuQu View Post
So I went to Ord Mantell and tracked down the referenced flag Lore Object. The ranks, in highest to lowest order are as follows, with Army/Navy if there is a difference:

Supreme Commander
General/Admiral
Colonel/Commodore
Major/Group Captain
Captain
Lieutenant
Ensign
Sergeant/Petty Officer
Corporal
Specialist
Private

It says "Sir" and salutes are given to those above you, with no enlisted/commissioned distinction, so when you have the option to demand a salute as a Sergeant from some Privates that is fine. What is still incorrect is an Ensign calling a Sergeant "Sir," as happens in a trooper quest on Taris.
Well check the spoiler below as to why being saluted by an Ensign on Taris would not be surprising.

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Budamil
12.26.2011 , 01:06 PM | #20
Ok this is how it works.

Havoc is Special Forces. Special Forces is much different, and are not outranked very often. A ensign may decide to not call him Sir..or may demand a salute..but ensigns are the bottom barrel of the military.

Look at Master Chief from Halo..he is an NCO..Non Commissioned Officer..and gets called Sir plenty..its out of respect.


**Edited** And a Sergeant would never get a salute..from a private..outside of special forces..even though they are still considered officers.
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