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Attention all players and Devs - 4.0 most complained about new feature. LEVEL SYNC

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Attention all players and Devs - 4.0 most complained about new feature. LEVEL SYNC

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Dalagante
10.24.2015 , 11:11 AM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by Elsindirion View Post
Level sync is just bad,dosent matter how long wall of text we read with most eloquent,most intelligent and most "clear"
words.Is not matter of explanation --{BRAIN WASHING}-- how good level sync and new companion system is.
We dont like it and we whant old LEVELING AND COMPANION SYSTEM back.
We need more posts here to BW see this is a big problem and we must force them by writing here to bring back what they teake awey.
Level scaling can be best thing in this world,but a lot of peoples dont like it and prabably start leaving,sooner or later,we fell like lost control of our characters,just leave leveling system alone next work on comanions because is not single player game and now is far too easy.SW after 4.0 dont fit me,i pay for this game and i be spam here on evry occasion to manifest my discontent.
I have to say this sums up about every post about level sync. I have no real valid reason except I don't like it so take it out. So I am going to throw a fit until I get it. I have yet to even see a reason why you don't like it excepted the brainwashed beliefs it is bad.

1. You can still solo everything you could before except World Bosses and non solo Flashpoints. Please don't say I am a solo player. I am a solo player and I can do everything I could do before.

2. The old level disparity doesn't make any since in story. You are already top tier as for as talent when you start the game. The difference between the two should be noticeable but we aren't talking about instant death different.
If the disparity was really that large in a story no one would really survive beyond level 20. The reason games have it is to give the feeling of progressing and challenge. As for story it's really a dumb concept.

3. Levels still matter a lot. It matter for abilities. It matters for passive. It matters for content that is available. These all matter a lot in the concept of the game.

Every oh my God the sky is falling reason for why this is bad doesn't hold water. Yes you are entitled to your opinion but when you opinion is based on irrational reasoning and scare tactics. I would say you opinion mean very little to the discussion. If you are honest you don't like it for some other reason. I am sure there are some valid ones but I am willing to bet a lot of it is more to do with not liking change or insecurity.

The thing is mandatory level sync does add a lot to the development side of the game.

1. Easier balancing of content. (There need to be better balancing than what we have right now but it will be easier to fix.)

2. Decrease of effectiveness of Griefing. Yes it still will happen but it takes more work now.

3. Easier to develop content across all the planets.

I am pretty sure that level sync was more about the future plans of the game than any short term benefit.

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MikeRindos
10.24.2015 , 11:57 AM | #152
Quote: Originally Posted by Dalagante View Post
I have to say this sums up about every post about level sync. I have no real valid reason except I don't like it so take it out. So I am going to throw a fit until I get it. I have yet to even see a reason why you don't like it excepted the brainwashed beliefs it is bad.

1. You can still solo everything you could before except World Bosses and non solo Flashpoints. Please don't say I am a solo player. I am a solo player and I can do everything I could do before.

2. The old level disparity doesn't make any since in story. You are already top tier as for as talent when you start the game. The difference between the two should be noticeable but we aren't talking about instant death different.
If the disparity was really that large in a story no one would really survive beyond level 20. The reason games have it is to give the feeling of progressing and challenge. As for story it's really a dumb concept.

3. Levels still matter a lot. It matter for abilities. It matters for passive. It matters for content that is available. These all matter a lot in the concept of the game.

Every oh my God the sky is falling reason for why this is bad doesn't hold water. Yes you are entitled to your opinion but when you opinion is based on irrational reasoning and scare tactics. I would say you opinion mean very little to the discussion. If you are honest you don't like it for some other reason. I am sure there are some valid ones but I am willing to bet a lot of it is more to do with not liking change or insecurity.

The thing is mandatory level sync does add a lot to the development side of the game.

1. Easier balancing of content. (There need to be better balancing than what we have right now but it will be easier to fix.)

2. Decrease of effectiveness of Griefing. Yes it still will happen but it takes more work now.

3. Easier to develop content across all the planets.

I am pretty sure that level sync was more about the future plans of the game than any short term benefit.
Lvl syncing doesn't work. I'm at chap 9 and way before chap 9 I became 65. Second, some ppl love Star Wars a lot. You don't understand how disabled people are. We can't help how feel. Now the warzones and world bosses are really bad. Some of us don't to be forced. Into playing it. Like some a family members don't like risk or stratego. You can't force some of play a pvp or world bosses as a requirement. Like the illum story was a forced flashpoint. I thought we could play with our original character comps and keep all the work we started over the past two years. There others that are with me. You don't force. Ppl into this. Allow all players to decide for themselves. Yes it is a democracy. Not a Corperate dictatorship. I'm still not happy. The last thing I'm going to do is cancel my sub. I can't help how I feel.

Thirdly, I thought we could use our companions and all the gear we improved over the years. And etc. but no we can't. . It not the sky is falling. It we hate it's bad for business to have a person like a product. I can't help how feel.
May the Force be with you. May the force be with us all.

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MikeRindos
10.24.2015 , 12:07 PM | #153
Quote: Originally Posted by Dalagante View Post
I have to say this sums up about every post about level sync. I have no real valid reason except I don't like it so take it out. So I am going to throw a fit until I get it. I have yet to even see a reason why you don't like it excepted the brainwashed beliefs it is bad.

1. You can still solo everything you could before except World Bosses and non solo Flashpoints. Please don't say I am a solo player. I am a solo player and I can do everything I could do before.

2. The old level disparity doesn't make any since in story. You are already top tier as for as talent when you start the game. The difference between the two should be noticeable but we aren't talking about instant death different.
If the disparity was really that large in a story no one would really survive beyond level 20. The reason games have it is to give the feeling of progressing and challenge. As for story it's really a dumb concept.

3. Levels still matter a lot. It matter for abilities. It matters for passive. It matters for content that is available. These all matter a lot in the concept of the game.

Every oh my God the sky is falling reason for why this is bad doesn't hold water. Yes you are entitled to your opinion but when you opinion is based on irrational reasoning and scare tactics. I would say you opinion mean very little to the discussion. If you are honest you don't like it for some other reason. I am sure there are some valid ones but I am willing to bet a lot of it is more to do with not liking change or insecurity.

The thing is mandatory level sync does add a lot to the development side of the game.

1. Easier balancing of content. (There need to be better balancing than what we have right now but it will be easier to fix.)

2. Decrease of effectiveness of Griefing. Yes it still will happen but it takes more work now.

3. Easier to develop content across all the planets.

I am pretty sure that level sync was more about the future plans of the game than any short term benefit.
Yes I'm a solo player. Don't knock me or pl like me.
May the Force be with you. May the force be with us all.

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Dalagante
10.24.2015 , 12:35 PM | #154
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeRindos View Post
Yes I'm a solo player. Don't knock me or pl like me.
Learn to read? I am a solo player, too. Level sync doesn't hurt solo players apart from World Boss and flashpoints. A lot of flashpoints have a solo mode now.

Get your fact straight?
So again if you actually have tried the content you would realize most of it is really easy. This means oh I am a solo player isn't a reason to not have level sync since you still can easily solo things.

What is your real reason you don't like level sync?

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Dalagante
10.24.2015 , 12:52 PM | #155
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeRindos View Post
Lvl syncing doesn't work. I'm at chap 9 and way before chap 9 I became 65. Second, some ppl love Star Wars a lot. You don't understand how disabled people are. We can't help how feel.
Level sync isn't about leveling. They never said you would need level sync content to get to 65 that was the anti-swtor people saying that was what level sync meant. Again your logic is based on false assumption. I would also think it would be best to speak for yourself and not a group of people. What you said that could be read as very offensive to people with disabilities.

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeRindos View Post
Now the warzones and world bosses are really bad. Some of us don't to be forced. Into playing it. Like some a family members don't like risk or stratego. You can't force some of play a pvp or world bosses as a requirement.
One companion requires unranked warzones and that companion isn't needed for the game so it's options. That isn't force. World bosses aren't required for anything. I am not sure where you are getting your information but completely false

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeRindos View Post
Like the illum story was a forced flashpoint.
Actually not force in fact Bioware doesn't even consider that part of the class story. If you had the quest when you start KotFE story mission it's still there.

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeRindos View Post
I thought we could play with our original character comps and keep all the work we started over the past two years.
You will be able to they have said on these forums they hope to have it fixed by Tuesday.

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeRindos View Post
There others that are with me. You don't force. Ppl into this. Allow all players to decide for themselves. Yes it is a democracy. Not a Corperate dictatorship. I'm still not happy. The last thing I'm going to do is cancel my sub. I can't help how I feel.
Actually it is a Bioware own game they are free to do with it as they please. That being said if you actually understood what those words meant you would know Democracies are one of the more oppressive types of governments.

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeRindos View Post
Thirdly, I thought we could use our companions and all the gear we improved over the years. And etc. but no we can't. . It not the sky is falling. It we hate it's bad for business to have a person like a product. I can't help how feel.
I still have all my gear . Yes some stats changed because the changes to crit and surge .

Do you run a million dollar gaming company. Do you actually have the sub data or the number people who have resub/unsub? None of us really know how this is going to pan out long term. What they did from my point of view was a move to increase the ease of play to make it more casual gamer friendly. They also are focus on their niche story which with a new star wars movie coming out could be really good for business. Forums are one of the worst places to get the feel for the gaming community since a majority of people who play the game never read the forums.

Again I can understand you don't like it but it doesn't help the discussion to make up stuff or distort what is real. It in the long run only hurts the valid points you might have.

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xlDaemonlx
10.24.2015 , 02:02 PM | #156
THank you for all the responses, though I must admit some of the last few posts seem more like mindless arguments on both ends. Please refrain from mindless cursing and negative feedback, this topic is so that people may agree with this topic and for BioWare to see how much of a hot topic this is and to show them that this is something that may need re-looked at. Both sides make valid points and this is just another reason that making it optional benefits both sides. Both sides will not be able to change the others opinions until a valid reason is presented, and I doubt one will ever be listed. Making it optional make more people happy, I highly doubt many of these player whether they want it or not will affect the other in any way.

Again I thank everyone for their response and keep posting if you agree and if you disagree please you can post why you don't think it should be optional besides from the "stop complaining, you can still do stuff, etc" I am looking for game breaking reasons why it should not be optional.

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MikeRindos
10.24.2015 , 02:09 PM | #157
Quote: Originally Posted by Dalagante View Post
Level sync isn't about leveling. They never said you would need level sync content to get to 65 that was the anti-swtor people saying that was what level sync meant. Again your logic is based on false assumption. I would also think it would be best to speak for yourself and not a group of people. What you said that could be read as very offensive to people with disabilities.


One companion requires unranked warzones and that companion isn't needed for the game so it's options. That isn't force. World bosses aren't required for anything. I am not sure where you are getting your information but completely false


Actually not force in fact Bioware doesn't even consider that part of the class story. If you had the quest when you start KotFE story mission it's still there.


You will be able to they have said on these forums they hope to have it fixed by Tuesday.


Actually it is a Bioware own game they are free to do with it as they please. That being said if you actually understood what those words meant you would know Democracies are one of the more oppressive types of governments.


I still have all my gear . Yes some stats changed because the changes to crit and surge .

Do you run a million dollar gaming company. Do you actually have the sub data or the number people who have resub/unsub? None of us really know how this is going to pan out long term. What they did from my point of view was a move to increase the ease of play to make it more casual gamer friendly. They also are focus on their niche story which with a new star wars movie coming out could be really good for business. Forums are one of the worst places to get the feel for the gaming community since a majority of people who play the game never read the forums.

Again I can understand you don't like it but it doesn't help the discussion to make up stuff or distort what is real. It in the long run only hurts the valid points you might have.
Yes I am disabled. Also, play the expansion. I did. Is your head up your *** for the warmth. It is forced. Lot of us don't like this. It's not just those players is everyone who else. Who have been playing this game and truly feel this is wrong. Everyone has the right to say no. Also, you need a coarse in law. So don't tell me learn to read.

You are making feel uncomfortable with your questions and including, your trolling. So you learn to read. Remember, I'm a founder. Show some dang respect and a victim of cyber bullying. Yes I'm disabled. I'm the Starryder legacy.
May the Force be with you. May the force be with us all.

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Elsindirion
10.24.2015 , 03:28 PM | #158
To Dalagante
Maty you respond to my post and you call it the summary of all bad fellings abaut level scaling and other 4.0 fatures.I thank You,im honored.
You write I and others dont give any logical and practical resons to not enjoy this patch.Mate you write you read all posts, meaby this time you should do this with care expectly maine because you blame me i dont have resons to not like it.
You write my only reson is:" being scaret abaut changes".Is not real life serious matter,relax i dont suacide if they dont change that, i just change game and pay someone else.Read again with care and open your eyes for somthing more then game mechanics.
But i save you the effort:

-From Rp player point of view being shrinked evry time i visit low level content is annoying.Mighty Darth shrunk to Mini Darth.I dont like this.I spend most of time runing low level planets and doing some missed,old quests,helping youngsters,gethring minerals and emphatize with world around,lore and my char.

-I see my correct stats only in my ship now,they go back and forth,i whant them solid and assigned permanently to my curent real level and gear,like it was before.I prefer :CLASSIC,NORMAL,NOT"IMPROVED" BY FORCE NOT BUNGLED,CLEAN AND CLEAR LEVELING SYSTEM LIKE EVRY RP GAME HAVE FROM 20 YEARS.Ruining level system is not good change,and you right im scared like hell abaut that.Changes should be for good.Simplified somthing most of times means broke that thing,you can see this by number of pages this thread has,and this value will duble,because WE dont like this change.
I dont care this cost BioWare more work i pay for this,if they whant more money they should declare this.

-Leveling 10-20 times per day,geting experience from evry pleace i go,RUIN my game.I like leveling slowly,emphatize with my character,learning all new skills ,master them by dueling and questing ,felling the climate,like i do before 4.0 .
You can laught but not evryone pay sub for f....k this game in one week with all clases to max level.For me and meany others is like profane.Now i pass playing,i whant see they change this or not if not i simple quit.

-Companion system,now is complete joke,prabably i dont even need to write why but i do this:Is no longer need a group if you quest or do heroic,evrything is extremaly easy.

-Players who spend hundreds of hours gearing up companions and meake this on perfect burnish,now they simple be kicked in the a s s. Dalagante you should respect hundreds of hours wasted by players for this and accept this as logical reson you need. If dont accept my own resons i post.

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PF music and Mayweather boxing is bored.i can spend my hard earned money for somthing i enjoy.
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Dalagante
10.24.2015 , 07:24 PM | #159
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeRindos View Post
Yes I am disabled. Also, play the expansion. I did. Is your head up your *** for the warmth. It is forced. Lot of us don't like this. It's not just those players is everyone who else. Who have been playing this game and truly feel this is wrong. Everyone has the right to say no. Also, you need a coarse in law. So don't tell me learn to read.

You are making feel uncomfortable with your questions and including, your trolling. So you learn to read. Remember, I'm a founder. Show some dang respect and a victim of cyber bullying. Yes I'm disabled. I'm the Starryder legacy.
I am not trolling or disrespecting you. I was pointing out your logical flaws in your points. It just shows the weakness of positions that this point has that they think people disagreeing with them is trolling. For the record I have 2 founding account(my daughter and mine) and ended up opening third account because my daughter didn't like the user name on this account. May be you need to learn to show respect. Also understand if you present your opinion people also have the right to point out the logical flaws. If you don't feel comfortable with that I would suggest not reading replies.

Level sync is force while some like it and some don't like. I don't think we can really say most don't like it from a such a small data set as the forums. I am willing to bet most really don't care. I guess we will see in a month. I think you should spend more time focusing presenting how you feel and not projecting.

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Dalagante
10.24.2015 , 07:45 PM | #160
Quote: Originally Posted by Elsindirion View Post
To Dalagante

-From Rp player point of view being shrinked evry time i visit low level content is annoying.Mighty Darth shrunk to Mini Darth.I dont like this.I spend most of time runing low level planets and doing some missed,old quests,helping youngsters,gethring minerals and emphatize with world around,lore and my char.

-I see my correct stats only in my ship now,they go back and forth,i whant them solid and assigned permanently to my curent real level and gear,like it was before.I prefer :CLASSIC,NORMAL,NOT"IMPROVED" BY FORCE NOT BUNGLED,CLEAN AND CLEAR LEVELING SYSTEM LIKE EVRY RP GAME HAVE FROM 20 YEARS.Ruining level system is not good change,and you right im scared like hell abaut that.Changes should be for good.Simplified somthing most of times means broke that thing,you can see this by number of pages this thread has,and this value will duble,because WE dont like this change.
Ok first off the fact you use stat and RP in the same post makes me cringe. Stat focus RPer in my day were called Roll players that because they generally sucked at actual role playing and were focused on rolling dice. But that goes back to when there was a company called TSR.

Quote: Originally Posted by Elsindirion View Post
I dont care this cost BioWare more work i pay for this,if they whant more money they should declare this.
You paid 200 million before launch and payed the cost to maintain and run 17+ server. I would guess not so you can't claim you paid for the game. But if we are talking about paying. I paid for 4 account (2 of which are founding) that made early launch and a 5th account paid. So I guess if we talking how much we are paying I should get 4 to 5 to your 1 vote. I also have another friend who has 5 accounts for his family and is talking about a 6 for his youngest.

Quote: Originally Posted by Elsindirion View Post
To Dalagante
-Players who spend hundreds of hours gearing up companions and meake this on perfect burnish,now they simple be kicked in the a s s. Dalagante you should respect hundreds of hours wasted by players for this and accept this as logical reson you need. If dont accept my own resons i post.
Have you played the game since 4.0; have you actually tried level sync content. Really all you are whining about is a number on the character sheet . I have it take 3-4 shots to kill a group of mobs instead of 1. I have been running heroics all day on a sniper apart from the bosses I am pretty much suppressive fire everything. I rarely ever go beyond 3 suppressive fires. It seriously takes no skill or anything but punching 3 or 4 buttons and It probably could be done pushing just one button.

I actually think level sync has made the game better but then again I went in with an open mind. If you go in saying you will hate some and these are the reason why. I don't think you have BW to blame for why you didn't like it.