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Is jedi consular's story that bad?

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Is jedi consular's story that bad?

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RowanThursday
09.09.2015 , 02:02 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Thoronmir View Post
And I will maintain that, when I hear the male Consular speak, I hear a sense of calm and serenity, yes. As I expect from a venerable font of wisdom. When I hear the female Consular speak, I hear the voice of some vacuous salesgirl at the mall who doesn't really care whether I buy that sweater and is just going through the (possibly drug-induced) motions.
While, in the female Consular, I hear someone who is possibly mildly autistic- she is brilliant, and adaptable, and excels at what she does, instinctively seeing the underlying logic of a situation and understanding how to achieve what previous efforts by others have labelled 'impossible', with a superlative connection to, and more important, innate understanding *of* the Force- but someone was, in fact, fine with the idea of "You get to learn about things nobody else understands and use powers nobody else can- oh, but you're not allowed to form deep attachments to others", because she's no good at doing that in the first place.

She's almost always restrained- every word- and usually most of the emotion she allows to appear in her voice *chosen* for the effect she wishes to make. Her voice can be indignant, supportive, righteous, dismissive- but it usually gives the sense both that she's rehearsed her part of the conversation in her head beforehand, and that she doesn't quite know *how* to articulate her feelings without that sounding artificial. Note: I'm still talking of the character, not the voice acting quality.

Her 'flirting' dialogue usually seems awkward, when she engages in it, like its something she's heard other people do, and is giving it a go to see what happens.

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All headcanon, of course, but I'm trying to illustrate how subjective voice acting can be- we all see different things in the different performances.

At the same time, sometimes her urbane drawl makes for some of the game's best comic lines; her delivery of "If this is a bad time, we could call back later..." to Kilran in the Esselles Flashpoint is one of my favourite.

Of course, from a darker perspective, the Consular's delivery often also evokes a feeling of "Hm? Ohh, yes, you're talking, NPC. Well, I was pondering something of great cosmic significance and philosophical value, but I *suppose* I'll have to try and think down to your level for a few minutes"
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RowanThursday
09.09.2015 , 02:12 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Bobs_YourUncle View Post
With skills such as political maneuver (force speed), fling poo (hurl rocks), untouchable (force barrier), lies and deception (force lift)... ok well someone more clever than I could probably correlate all the other skills to a politician class.
Sentient beings represent the higher vergences in the Force. Change the shape of their collective minds, and you affect the living Force. Besides, the Shadows are basically Satele's S.I.S. - they just obey her rather than that idiot Saresh, so carefully putting the pieces into the right spots on the gameboard so that the war can be won is very much in their remit.

The Consular's a lot less naive a 'goodie' than the Knight, and, ironically, if one considers the events of the prequel film trilogy, would probably consider "Let's generate a fake crisis which steers the *right* person into political high office to suit long term needs" to be a good and wholly morally acceptable plan. She just wouldn't tell the Knight, so she didn't have to listen to his righteous wrath or T7's righteous bleeping.
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Yermog
09.09.2015 , 02:29 PM | #63
I just started playing the Jedi Consular again, and I've gotten farther than I did the first time. The biggest issue for me was the Consular's voice. It was so monotone and bland, which grated my nerves, but as I've gone through the story its grown on me. I'm enjoying the story so far, but its still difficult because I can't really give my consular a personality. No matter what I chose, her voice always sounds the same, so making threats and promising to help people always sounds the same. There's no tone change.

Another issue for me is that I didn't enjoy the companions as much as I did with other classes. None of them were terribly interesting to me, except perhaps for Tharan Cedrax.

My rating of the Consular story (so far, because I haven't finished it completely yet) is 6/10. The class stories are pretty interesting, but it's hard to stay engaged with lack of a connection to the consular and the companions.

That being said, there are plenty of people who adore the Consular immensely, so the best thing to do is to jump in and just experience it for yourself. You may completely love it, and if so, that's great! But as others have said, if you're going to play, you should probably roll a female. The FemCon's voice is slightly less weird than a MaleCon's voice, I find.

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Gonalius
09.09.2015 , 02:34 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Aries_cz View Post
I always find these kind of complaints in BioWare game utterly ridiculous. Romance options have been clearly indicated in every BW game, so people who complain are either just trying to meta the system picking option that give most points (which are often Flirt options) or just click at random...
Certainly not in Mass Effect 1 or 2. ME1, I've accidentally somehow ended up in a relationship with Ashley on two separate playthroughs. I played nice. Nothing flirtatious about anything I said and BOOM! She's talking all lovey-dovey. ME2, Again, two different playthroughs, I play nice, treat Jack as a person, then have to turn down sex, and thus be told to F-Off every time I speak to her thereafter.

Sith Inquisitor. I flirted with Ashara once, just once, and got locked into a relationship with no escape, no matter how mean I was to her (I lost about 500 affection trying to ditch her).

Fortunately, my Consular was my token female, so I avoided that particular trap.
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09.09.2015 , 02:34 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Ccgv View Post
I really want to play a jedi stealth class again, I've played all 4 classes on the empire side and would like to give it a go, I mean, being part of the jedi council seems pretty cool. What are your thoughts? I play classes because they're fun, but also have a good story. Thanks!
No. Go play it.

Longer version:
Yes, my ranking would be lowest of the 4 Pub stories. And probably lowest of all 7 I've played. But we're talking a 7 vs. a 4, not an "11" vs. a "-1" as some people given to hyperbole (ok, their honest opinion), might have it. Honestly, I don't think it is all that different in theme, or structure, from the Knight's. Hell, all the stories follow the same structure by design. And all have a "shock" moment (this one I saw coming two planets away)...

... and none hold a candle to KOTOR (or Mass Effect, or DA: Origins, or ...)
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Ccgv
09.09.2015 , 02:55 PM | #66
Thanks everyone for the replies! I've decided I'm going to start a jedi shadow, even If I don't like the story atleast I have the class to look forward to. Anyway, thanks everyone for your opinion!

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Eleonora
09.09.2015 , 03:06 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Aries_cz View Post
Consular story is very good (i personally rank it as second best).

It gets flak because it is more about the aspect of Jedi represented by Yoda and Obi-Wan (meaning diplomacy, etc) instead of smashing things. It is also a good deal of "behind the scenes", meaning your actions do not have great visible effects, but without them, the Republic would lose the war.

And as some others have said, it makes sense only when going LS, DS doesn't really work well with that class (and VA on those choices is very weird, unlike on LS and Neutral, where Nolan North is awesome)
Diplomacy can be really interesting and exciting, but it's not. It's just.. a snorefest.

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Azareya
09.09.2015 , 03:13 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by RowanThursday View Post
The Consular can also quite effectively epitomize Good Is Not Nice- they'll save your planet, sure, but they'll make it quite plain what an idiot they think you are while doing it, and remark a such in tones of withering sarcasm.
http://goo.gl/zhZguJ

In some cases I felt more like a paladin/templar on my consular than the Knight, especially with things such as "Judgement, adjudication, animation of Vanquish = Smite thee evil spirits! , and the role he plays throughout the story
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RowanThursday
09.09.2015 , 03:50 PM | #69
I think the most dark side points I picked up on my own Shadow were from her habit of casually dealing out death threats to idiots who tried to make trouble- not that she ended up killing them, but just that she took a "these people are levers, and also volatile, and I'm in a hurry. Now, what lever works quickly... ah, yes, fear."
"... Pointless meatbag bickering."
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SithKoriandr
09.10.2015 , 02:18 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by RowanThursday View Post
I think the most dark side points I picked up on my own Shadow were from her habit of casually dealing out death threats to idiots who tried to make trouble- not that she ended up killing them, but just that she took a "these people are levers, and also volatile, and I'm in a hurry. Now, what lever works quickly... ah, yes, fear."
That's how my Consular got DS as well. Not possessed and just wanting to kill her? Killing blow. May have not done it once or twice (can't recall 100%), but more than a few of them once defeated, were killed. Just didn't see the point in sparing a Moff for instance, when you know they're going to kill more citizens of the Republic, Jedi, or even try to kill you again.
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