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So, are (Lorewise) the Empire and Republic going away?

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So, are (Lorewise) the Empire and Republic going away?

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OldVengeance
07.26.2015 , 05:14 PM | #21
The idea that the Republic existed for centuries is because Obi-Wan said "For over a thousand generations the Jedi were guardians of peace in the Old Republic" in A New Hope. If the game is still in continuity with movies, then the Republic should still stand for centuries. If even the movies are irrelevant to TOR then Obi-Wan And Palpatine's statements can be disregarded and they can do whatever they want.

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Diviciacus
07.26.2015 , 05:23 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by DeltaBos View Post
Since this game isn't considered cannon anymore they don't necessarily have to adhere to the Republic existing centuries later at all. At the same time, Chancellor Palpatine did make the comment in Episode 2 that the Republic has stood for one-thousand years, and while this was thought to refer to the Ruusan Reformation, there's so much time in between the Bane era and the Old Republic era that the Republic could have not even been in existance for thousands of years.
That's not strictly true. The Legends continuity (formerly, the EU) can do whatever it wants, so long as it doesn't contravene what is still canon. Whatever Bioware does with TOR, the Republic can never truly fall, and the Jedi cannot go extinct (as they essentially do after Palpatine takes power), or it violates the statement from Ep. II where Palpatine says the Republic has existed for a thousand years, as well as the statement from Ep. IV where Obi-Wan says "for a thousand generations" (which is between 20,000-30,000 years total) there have been Jedi acting as guardians of peace in the galaxy.

The Republic certainly is brought to its knees, however; you'll note that the Prequel Trilogy Republic uses the same symbol that the Empire in TOR does. If anything, I expect that by the time Bioware shuts off the servers for TOR, the Empire and Republic will have merged. We may even in some way see it in KOTFE.
Nonne mei fratres congruitis nobis nostram cruore ferroque humum recipienda esse aut Imperium Aeternum quae omnia speremus peregerimusque vere perdat?
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OldVengeance
07.26.2015 , 06:45 PM | #23
The only reason the Sith Empire has that symbol is because the designers wanted it to be the recognizable logo of the the "Empire" just like the Original movies. It doesn't matter that it's a different empire. Both the Sith Empire and the Galactic Empire just play the role of "The Empire."

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Rodyn
07.26.2015 , 07:12 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by OldVengeance View Post
The only reason the Sith Empire has that symbol is because the designers wanted it to be the recognizable logo of the the "Empire" just like the Original movies. It doesn't matter that it's a different empire. Both the Sith Empire and the Galactic Empire just play the role of "The Empire."
Not entirely true. Way back in pre-release, the devs implied that there was a reason why the Sith Empire had a lot of the traits of the Clone Wars era Republic, such as the Coruscanti accent being the TOR-era Sith accent, why the Sith Empire's ships greatly resemble the later Republic/Imperial Navy ships, and the Sith Empire's symbol.

I do think unity may be a possibility. No idea how it'll happen, but given how things have been going, it's not completely out of the question.
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OldVengeance
07.26.2015 , 07:49 PM | #25
The accent thing didn't make any sense either. There were already British sounding people in the Republic even in Kotor, including one of the two main love interests, who herself even makes a couple cameos in TOR.

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Canareth
07.26.2015 , 08:07 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Diviciacus View Post
That's not strictly true. The Legends continuity (formerly, the EU) can do whatever it wants, so long as it doesn't contravene what is still canon. Whatever Bioware does with TOR, the Republic can never truly fall, and the Jedi cannot go extinct (as they essentially do after Palpatine takes power), or it violates the statement from Ep. II where Palpatine says the Republic has existed for a thousand years, as well as the statement from Ep. IV where Obi-Wan says "for a thousand generations" (which is between 20,000-30,000 years total) there have been Jedi acting as guardians of peace in the galaxy.
Obi-wan was already being pretty loose with the facts. OOC/IRL this is because Lucas had no idea what the backstory to A New Hope was. In-universe...yeah, the Jedi have a whole lot of stuff they prefer not to talk about. They fail a lot, almost get wiped out several times, ultimately created the evil twin order that has killed Force knows how many people...

No doubt that Obi-wan is counting the years as generously as possible for continuity. And the Jedi can be hit very hard (Sacking of Coruscant) without being ended as an Order.

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The Republic certainly is brought to its knees, however; you'll note that the Prequel Trilogy Republic uses the same symbol that the Empire in TOR does. If anything, I expect that by the time Bioware shuts off the servers for TOR, the Empire and Republic will have merged. We may even in some way see it in KOTFE.
I could see that. The Sith Empire is teetering already in terms of legitimacy (mass Council fratricide, Korriban sacked, the Emperor gone mad) but does have a lot of citizens, lots of military technology, and a lot of territory. Certain elements of that could survive and be absorbed.

The Sith themselves are doomed as a society but it's never been set in stone how and when that happened.