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branmakmuffin

06.30.2015 , 12:00 AM \| #221	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer I provided a source already, but here it is again: The relevant portion: Quote: The decision to shut down SWG is first and foremost a business decision mutually agreed upon between SOE and LucasArt Quote: You will never find a post where I am pining for the return of SWG. I'm simply pointing out to forumites such as yourself with "no skin in that game" that it was not shut down due to lack of money. The issue is not your "skin" in that game, it is the rose-colored glasses covering your eyes. Quote: If SWG only had 20,000 subscribers, that is still 3.6 million dollars per annum. That does not count the TCG revenue. Granted, not the $90 million Bioware seems to generate from subs, but keep in mind, MMOs didn't really hit until WoW and WoW siphoned most of the market for much of SWGs life. And you think you could keep an MMO running on $3.6 mil a year, even in 2005? Really?

LoverNoFighter

06.30.2015 , 01:08 AM \| #222	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin The relevant portion: The issue is not your "skin" in that game, it is the rose-colored glasses covering your eyes. And you think you could keep an MMO running on $3.6 mil a year, even in 2005? Really? Feel free to provide facts that tell us otherwise. .
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ekwalizer

06.30.2015 , 09:59 AM \| #223	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin The relevant portion: You, once again, conveniently neglected the part where JS says that subscriptions were steady for a long time, considering the question asked pertained to "the game dying" his answer is not an affirmative to the question. The issue is not your "skin" in that game, it is the rose-colored glasses covering your eyes. I'm pretty sure that at every turn, I openly admit the flaws of SWG. So you can take your rose-colored glasses comment and redirect it to one of the forum users that it actually applies to. And you think you could keep an MMO running on $3.6 mil a year, even in 2005? Really? Since you like to demand sources from everyone, where is yours? My comments in red
Let this sink in, this game is Free to Play, boasts one of the most popular IPs on the planet and yet 76.47% of the servers are empty.

azudelphi

06.30.2015 , 10:20 AM \| #224	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer My comments in red Quote: As of the second quarter of 2006, according to charts at MMOGchart.com, there were estimated to be between 110,000 and 175,000 subscribers. Source Link to Reference Material used in Source 175000 x $15 = $2.36 Million / month
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tdmaha

06.30.2015 , 10:35 AM \| #225	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by azudelphi Source Link to Reference Material used in Source 175000 x $15 = $2.36 Million / month It's also widely know in late 2005 on a Friday night they had 10,000 people log in. Smeds was asked about this he didn't deny only stated that subs haven't fallen that low...

branmakmuffin

06.30.2015 , 10:39 AM \| #226	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LoverNoFighter Feel free to provide facts that tell us otherwise. . You're the SWG fan (although you seem so have removed your SWG sig). The burden is on you to support any assertions that SWG was doing fine and dandy. SWG is gone. TOR is here. Lament away if it helps you feel better.

tdmaha

06.30.2015 , 10:42 AM \| #227	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin You're the SWG fan (although you seem so have removed your SWG sig). The burden is on you to support any assertions that SWG was doing fine and dandy. SWG is gone. TOR is here. Lament away if it helps you feel better. It appears BW didn't like him impersonating an employee with that self-appointed title.

ekwalizer

06.30.2015 , 10:44 AM \| #228	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin You're the SWG fan (although you seem so have removed your SWG sig). The burden is on you to support any assertions that SWG was doing fine and dandy. SWG is gone. TOR is here. Lament away if it helps you feel better. http://www.raphkoster.com/2015/04/27...galaxies-fail/ Quote: Originally Posted by Raph Koster Galaxies actually had the best one-month conversion of any game at SOE, by a double-digit percentage. More new players decided to stick it out past one month. Given the one-month period, you can�t attribute that just to the Star Wars license. Quote: Originally Posted by Raph Koster SWG also had the shortest play session lengths of any RPG at SOE (action games, including Planetside, had shorter). ... However, at the same time, it also had the highest total hours played per week. In other words, it was the least grindy per session, and the most sticky on a week or month basis. But the bottom line is that SWG had the highest percentage of its user base logging in every month out of any SOE game, again by double-digit percentages. Quote: Originally Posted by Raph Koster Lastly, SWG was a lot cheaper to make than what was about to be its competition. Like, 1/4 of the budget or less of a WoW. Quote: Originally Posted by Raph Koster Licensed IPs also imply revenue splits. This likely made all parties involved have to have a higher bar for success. The game made money; I don�t know whether it made enough. Quote: Originally Posted by Raph Koster Then there are oddities. For example, EverQuest, our benchmark at the time, didn�t have a vendor system. ... I did the math, and comparing unique actual people, SWG may well have had about as any players as EQ did! Does anyone say that Everquest was a failure? Quote: Originally Posted by Raph Koster The game wasn�t doing as badly as people seem to think. It didn�t fail in the market. It did just fine, even by the standards pre-WoW.
Let this sink in, this game is Free to Play, boasts one of the most popular IPs on the planet and yet 76.47% of the servers are empty.

tdmaha

06.30.2015 , 10:49 AM \| #229	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin You're the SWG fan (although you seem so have removed your SWG sig). The burden is on you to support any assertions that SWG was doing fine and dandy. SWG is gone. TOR is here. Lament away if it helps you feel better. Looks lnf isn't having a very good day. His thread he created this morning was deleted and his self-appointed title has been removed.

tdmaha

06.30.2015 , 10:51 AM \| #230	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer http://www.raphkoster.com/2015/04/27...galaxies-fail/ Does anyone say that Everquest was a failure? Nobody cares what Raph has to say he hasn't done a thing in ages. He put out s few blogs to keep his name out there.

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