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marekdusek
05.31.2015 , 09:11 AM | #21
Hello everyone,

to address your questions:

Quote: Originally Posted by Torvai View Post
Dumb Question: Is it intended that the timers for push/pull on Revan only work partially?
I havent seen Revan lately, but I am not aware the pull/push mechanics has been altered at all, so the original 15s timers should still work (Abberation timers per se have never been included in StarParse) - could you please elaborate what exactly doesnt seem to work and attach a screenshot/recording ideally? That would be greatly appreciated so I can fix it!

Quote: Originally Posted by DawnAskham View Post
Oh and I'd also like to know if the comparisons are for just a specific boss, or is it broken down further by boss / raid size / difficulty mode..
Yes, the rank is specific for each boss, mode, size and class (not disciplines at the moment, however, only dps stances are included in the stats, so no tanks nor healers are affecting it, and vice versa).

Quote: Originally Posted by Jerba View Post
I agree that this option is not necessary, it only leads to creating entry barriers into raid groups. Yes, good raidleaders will know not to fully rely on this number alone but there are always bad apples.

If you want to improve StarParse, my suggestion would be to open up the DPS/HPS/DTPS tabs so you can see everyone's stats.
As stated already, I added the feature knowing people who already use StarParse actually want to see the numbers (for basic sanity checks or even their amusement only), so this seemed as just another number into the mix. Also there have been plenty of "what shoud my damage/healing etc be on boss xy" questions on Reddit et al, so again, I thought I am helping there as well.

Regarding the detailed insight into other logs, sharing everything with everyone would be an overkill probably, but I am considering adding a "Death Recap" broadcast so when you die, your last X seconds would be sent to the raid leader (all?) for them to see what killed you. I will probably add something like that together with the "Avoidable damage" analysis in the upcoming weeks.

Quote: Originally Posted by fire-breath View Post
Anyways. Ixale, could you elaborate what the rating is based on? You said its based on raw dps output but to what are you comparing the dps?
It is actually percentile-based, so I guess the third option - what I do is basicaly:
1) sort all eligible parses by the respective output (dps, dtps-selfabs, ehps+abs)
2) calculate 1 to 99th percentiles (by taking every nth / count parse as the value)

So if your rating is 75%, it simply means 75% of the parses are below you and 25% is better. This approach is less susceptible to edge cases, on the other hand its not proportionate (being 50% does not usually mean the best can do twice as much).

Quote: Originally Posted by Arunas View Post
All these ratings and even parse leader-boards are useless without taking gear into account. People will cry that their 192 character is not doing as well as somebody with 198 and 204 MH. Entering gear information for each character in StarParse and keeping it up to date would be PITA. I think its possible to have some approximate rating by heuristically inferring gear level by ability averages on crit, no crit and crit rate.
Well, yes, taking the gear into account "somehow" would be great, on the other hand, now I am simply stating "X % of the people on this boss currently in the game are doing more numbers than you are" - the bosses do not scale with the raid gorup either, so I believe it is still relevant to see you are probably hindering the group by not performing well, being it because your gear or just a lack of experience.

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Anyways, thank you all for taking the time to share your thoughts - as stated, this feature is experimental, so pleas bear with me, anything is possible (if it proves irrelevant or even harmful).
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FerkWork
05.31.2015 , 09:50 AM | #22
Random but related question:

With this information do you have available the number of uploaded by class. Or what I am asking is with this ranking system could we see of often an AC is brought to a fight compared to others. Would be interesting to see what the average raid composition is for certain bosses.
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marekdusek
05.31.2015 , 09:58 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by FerkWork View Post
Random but related question:

With this information do you have available the number of uploaded by class. Or what I am asking is with this ranking system could we see of often an AC is brought to a fight compared to others. Would be interesting to see what the average raid composition is for certain bosses.
Hey, yes indeed - classes with disciplines are being stored as well, so any derived statistics are possible. Basically the following summary stats are being gathered (one entry for each player and combat):

- raiding group and character
- class and discipline
- boss, mode, size
- combat start and finish
- apm
- damage
- heal and effective heal
- damage taken
- damage absorbed
- heal taken and effective heal taken
- threat
- damage or healing in challenges, if any
- shielding done on others, if any
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Torvai
05.31.2015 , 12:53 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by marekdusek View Post
I havent seen Revan lately, but I am not aware the pull/push mechanics has been altered at all, so the original 15s timers should still work (Abberation timers per se have never been included in StarParse) - could you please elaborate what exactly doesnt seem to work and attach a screenshot/recording ideally? That would be greatly appreciated so I can fix it!
Well, don't know when it happened, but somehow the timers stopped showing at all, but heave timer still worked. After the second last patch, the push timer appeared again for me, but not the pull timer. Didn't change anything in the settings. I could upload a parse from Saturday , where we pulled Revan for ~4-5 hours if that helps?
Edit: Okay, I just spoke with one of our dps and for her both push and pull timers show, but only for third floor.

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ChroniKill
05.31.2015 , 01:18 PM | #25
Does it take into consideration where the damage was dealt? For instance, the high Bulo parses have, in some cases, upwards of 40% of the damage dealt to pirates, which gives a really high overall, but relatively low parse on the boss itself.

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Diachi
05.31.2015 , 04:28 PM | #26
"Death Recap" and Avoidable Damage features! Can't wait to see these added!
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IbmeG
06.01.2015 , 03:14 AM | #27
Also a possibly dumb question, could someone explain the raid challenges to me?

And could there be an option to compare two parselogs? I realy would like that instead of swítching tabs to compare apm, ability usage and so on^^
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myspersson
06.01.2015 , 05:22 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by IbmeG View Post
Also a possibly dumb question, could someone explain the raid challenges to me?

And could there be an option to compare two parselogs? I realy would like that instead of swítching tabs to compare apm, ability usage and so on^^
Raid-challenge is most often a phase where there is a real dps-check, as in the last phase in HM Revan or last phase in cora/ruugar HM. There is also a challenge on Torque where you pop up if you have put som dmg on a repair-droid.

And as far as i know there are only a challenges on: Brontes, Raptus, Council, Torque, Cora and Revan.
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Psyotic
07.04.2015 , 01:08 PM | #29
Hi,

wouldn't be nice to have a direct webaccess to all numbers?
Maybe, for data privacy reasons, only with a hashcode for my raid + anonymized database?

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Arunas
07.05.2015 , 02:05 PM | #30
I think the current rating is per class/spec but not for role, right? Seems like our sage healer is doing less healing but has higher rating than commando, probably because there are more commando healers doing HM?