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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Devilk
02.03.2015 , 02:36 PM | #441
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Swtor has less players than WOW in general. I fail to see the importance of WOW. You can play me all you want or duel me since odds are you wont have a team. Duel me on any toon if youd like. How is this about Hatred Sins when specific players pointed out that they couldnt bring viable classes into ranked? How am I full of ****? Could it be because I recognize the simple nuances of answered complaints addressed by SWTOR?
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How in the **** are you going to ***** about a class being OP and immune to stuns then turn around and post about how stuns and resolve is broken? How in the **** are you going to ***** about BW when they gave players exactly what they wanted.

You wanted balance? They took away hybrids. You want the game easier? Its cookie cutter as **** right now. (Hey we agree there is little skill required to play but somehow players still cant handle that). You wanted less stuns? They gave you the sin. You want less bugs? They gave you PVE which has far less bugs than PVP and get fixed faster than PVP bugs.

**** just changed and there are issues. Sin is strong yes. It is counterable and those who actually want to be successful found a way to beat them. How in the **** are you going to ***** about what OTHER players play when it is beatable? Honestly.

How are you going to say sins are OP as **** because you can clown some casual team in ranked or the Helen Kellers of regs? How are you going to claim to understand the meta when your only ADMITTED experience is solo que where a merc can get 2800 rating pre 3.0?

Even if you dont respond you have 0 credibility on your own thread.

You really want them to balance around regs and solo que which are a joke regardless. I did perfectly fine on my PT, it was frustrating but I got to 2k on it.

Solo que is the place where reg players go to feel like they are good. You lose because the team is flooded with players who either dont understand ranked, their class, or the game.

Yes Sins are strong and have immunity, you are ************ about reg performance while sorcs are dumping out 5.2k dps and sins top out at 4k due to stuns taunts roots and cleanses by melee classes who have them? Get real dude. Double hatred sucks going against and if you arent good you will fail. Very simple.
Take any comp you want vs 2 MM snipers and a Sin tank and let me know how OP that DOT spread is when your accuracy is so low you cant apply your discharge DOT. Tell me about how even with stun immunity they are comboing you and cutting through you like a warm knife through butter. Tell me about how you didnt die because you LOSd the snipers but they killed your other team mate by hardswapping while your tank it stunned.

Tell me how full of **** I am when you dont do team ranked. Explain to me how being strong in regs where I can dump out 2k+ on my mando as arsenal (single target) without breaking a sweat makes a class OP. Marauders put up 2.5k dps in regs you *******.

Enlighten me oh expert of the solo que.
I'm sorry to say this. But the game isn't going to be balanced around team ranked, the majority of players do regs, and that's where their focus on balance should be. Not on a minority of the player base that still do ranked. And where 90% of the playerbase PvP's, hatred sins are incredibly overpowered. Not that it matters, SWTOR pvp isn't exactly cutting edge competition wise so I don't do it to compete, do it for the fun.

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DrWeebs
02.03.2015 , 02:40 PM | #442
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Swtor has less players than WOW in general. I fail to see the importance of WOW. You can play me all you want or duel me since odds are you wont have a team. Duel me on any toon if youd like. How is this about Hatred Sins when specific players pointed out that they couldnt bring viable classes into ranked? How am I full of ****? Could it be because I recognize the simple nuances of answered complaints addressed by SWTOR?
WARNING STARS INCOMING*
How in the **** are you going to ***** about a class being OP and immune to stuns then turn around and post about how stuns and resolve is broken? How in the **** are you going to ***** about BW when they gave players exactly what they wanted.

You wanted balance? They took away hybrids. You want the game easier? Its cookie cutter as **** right now. (Hey we agree there is little skill required to play but somehow players still cant handle that). You wanted less stuns? They gave you the sin. You want less bugs? They gave you PVE which has far less bugs than PVP and get fixed faster than PVP bugs.

**** just changed and there are issues. Sin is strong yes. It is counterable and those who actually want to be successful found a way to beat them. How in the **** are you going to ***** about what OTHER players play when it is beatable? Honestly.

How are you going to say sins are OP as **** because you can clown some casual team in ranked or the Helen Kellers of regs? How are you going to claim to understand the meta when your only ADMITTED experience is solo que where a merc can get 2800 rating pre 3.0?

Even if you dont respond you have 0 credibility on your own thread.

You really want them to balance around regs and solo que which are a joke regardless. I did perfectly fine on my PT, it was frustrating but I got to 2k on it.

Solo que is the place where reg players go to feel like they are good. You lose because the team is flooded with players who either dont understand ranked, their class, or the game.

Yes Sins are strong and have immunity, you are ************ about reg performance while sorcs are dumping out 5.2k dps and sins top out at 4k due to stuns taunts roots and cleanses by melee classes who have them? Get real dude. Double hatred sucks going against and if you arent good you will fail. Very simple.
Take any comp you want vs 2 MM snipers and a Sin tank and let me know how OP that DOT spread is when your accuracy is so low you cant apply your discharge DOT. Tell me about how even with stun immunity they are comboing you and cutting through you like a warm knife through butter. Tell me about how you didnt die because you LOSd the snipers but they killed your other team mate by hardswapping while your tank it stunned.

Tell me how full of **** I am when you dont do team ranked. Explain to me how being strong in regs where I can dump out 2k+ on my mando as arsenal (single target) without breaking a sweat makes a class OP. Marauders put up 2.5k dps in regs you *******.

Enlighten me oh expert of the solo que.
Somebody sounds angry.
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headshot_hendo
02.03.2015 , 02:42 PM | #443
Quote: Originally Posted by Haystak View Post
If I happen to see him i will ask.

Nothing against no-shades I have played against him a few times, but he hasnt done anything that would make me think he has the advantage over a skilled assassin. I wouldnt mind hearing a different opinion, and he may have something new to point out, but Im not expecting him to tell me anything ai havent already heard.
Have you lost to me on Re-up? Im usually top damage and I can get out of hand with no pressure but No-shades forces me to stealth almost every time. Idk what he does but he ****s me up. It could be that he knows my playstyle of peeling first then killing the team and ensures his opener on me or that he has everyone focus me specifically, most likely a combination of both equally.
With OP or stealth for that matter its most dependent on the opener. Im sure if I opened on him I could push him down and win, but he doesnt allow that to happen because he is smart.

Either way when I face him I get focused the second I pop, and it works he beats me more than I beat him in solo que. For team talk to vullesh. He successfully ran Conc OP in team and won pre 3.0 and merc heals.

A big thing I have noticed is that too teams run strong comps to counter eachother. With a dead que you are at a stalemate for that. Some people myself included just throw a team together and win or lose its comms. Dont look at the loss as a bad thing, have fun and take the loss as practice.
There wont be a change in top teams using niche comps or an increased variety in classes. Players find what works and use it until it doesnt. If it stops working they find another niche comp. The idea is experimenting with comps and strats to beat that niche comp so they cant que the same thing over and over again.
Ive told you one strat to beat that niche comp.

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DrWeebs
02.03.2015 , 02:42 PM | #444
Quote: Originally Posted by Devilk View Post
I'm sorry to say this. But the game isn't going to be balanced around team ranked, the majority of players do regs, and that's where their focus on balance should be. Not on a minority of the player base that still do ranked. And where 90% of the playerbase PvP's, hatred sins are incredibly overpowered. Not that it matters, SWTOR pvp isn't exactly cutting edge competition wise so I don't do it to compete, do it for the fun. The only thing that makes snipers strong is ambush auto crit, which is not that hard to avoid.
Exactly this. If you want truly legit ranked play, go play league of legends or wow or dota 2. Legitimate ranked play... SWTOR is not.
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headshot_hendo
02.03.2015 , 02:44 PM | #445
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
Somebody sounds angry.
Not angry never angry. Sometimes vulgarity can be fun. Im a Vet and finally let my vulgarity flow through my fingers. No offense meant but felt good to get some stars out lol. Trust me nothing in this game can get me angry anymore lol.

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MusicRider
02.03.2015 , 02:49 PM | #446
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Not angry never angry. Sometimes vulgarity can be fun. Im a Vet and finally let my vulgarity flow through my fingers. No offense meant but felt good to get some stars out lol. Trust me nothing in this game can get me angry anymore lol.
That explains why you behave like an animal, an ostrich specifically. Go watch the videos that I linked you to see how much non-sense you have been talking.

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DrWeebs
02.03.2015 , 02:50 PM | #447
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Not angry never angry. Sometimes vulgarity can be fun. Im a Vet and finally let my vulgarity flow through my fingers. No offense meant but felt good to get some stars out lol. Trust me nothing in this game can get me angry anymore lol.
Well be careful because my post with a cuss word got reported and removed just now.
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headshot_hendo
02.03.2015 , 02:55 PM | #448
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
Well be careful because my post with a cuss word got reported and removed just now.
Mine did too lol just got a message for it lol its no though.

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headshot_hendo
02.03.2015 , 02:57 PM | #449
Quote: Originally Posted by Devilk View Post
I'm sorry to say this. But the game isn't going to be balanced around team ranked, the majority of players do regs, and that's where their focus on balance should be. Not on a minority of the player base that still do ranked. And where 90% of the playerbase PvP's, hatred sins are incredibly overpowered. Not that it matters, SWTOR pvp isn't exactly cutting edge competition wise so I don't do it to compete, do it for the fun.
Read my response on the previous page about the trickle down effect.

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DrWeebs
02.03.2015 , 03:01 PM | #450
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Read my response on the previous page about the trickle down effect.
The trickle effect still doesn't explain why hatred assassins are so strong at ALL levels, from regs to 4v4 premade ranked.

Also, the trickle effect works in games like League of Legends where they balance around the professional e-sports because they are constantly tweaking/balancing/looking at metrics etc., and there is a ginormous population of skilled players that do competitive ranked play.

SWTOR has like one guy who has never pvp'd before sitting at a typewriter doing the PVP balancing. In about 6 months we'll get a telegram with some class balance ideas that they will put into the game Soon™

By the way, I just want to remind you, I am planning on maining my Assassin in ranked play. I'm complaining about the class I'm maining being too strong. That should tell you something.
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