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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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headshot_hendo
01.26.2015 , 07:50 AM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
Oh sorry, you played the most OP class ever prior to this hatred spec, op healers in their hayday.

You know, you're the most involved person in this forum thread. You must be concerned about the topic it pertains to quite greatly.

I'm guessing you're what... 17?
You mean i switched to operative heals because it was the only viable healer for ranked? Sure i switched from my sorc because ranked was no longer possible but ok. I guess switching toons to access an aspect of the game isnt ok in your book. Oh was it OP using sorc healer for 8v8s or sin tank for 8v8s? Or jugg tank for that matter?

You arent interested in the aspects surrounding your class? If you arent invested in your fun why even play? Bring my age into a conversation about a game lol, childish. Oh no some clown now thinks im 17 but fails to grasp simple life lessons like logic, which is usually learned in elementary and middle school.
The only medicine for your lack of simple life skills is reflection them most likely a bullet. Have fun

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foxmob
01.26.2015 , 08:16 AM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by magnashear View Post
If you do all that you have to remove h2f from Guardian jugg as well. Of course once everyone is brought down to merc survivability then mercs themselves will prolly be OP cuz they will out dps everyone.
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or...every class will be equally susceptible to focus fire, and mercs/snipers won't be automatic deaths in first 30s of yolo. I actually think sniper hits harder than merc, but sniper is also easier to los.

and something I'd like to see that I think will never happen (b/c BW & other companies rarely admit they screwed up and revert things) is to make all of the ranged and heal disciplines casters again. I mean really casters. As in they need to cast 80% of the time. The way things work now, I see sorcs "casting abils" on the run. I have so many instants as a merc that the only time I EVER need to hard cast something is a filler charged bolt or fusion missile. snipers have never had to hard cast much of anything. I remember rolling off 3-4 instants in MM standing up, returning to cover and blasting another couple instants. but at least they have los issues. ops have never had to standstill to heal (except for one cast?) and that made them gods of pvp for YEARS. ranged and heals need to be anchored by casts.

I mention this here cuz of the aforementioned quote about mercs would dominate. they wouldn't. they just wouldn't be the only susceptible class. but it did raise the larger issue of caster classes doing more dmg if allowed to free cast, but the risk/reward there is supposed to be that they can be interrupted and need melee to buffer/peel for them. today...it seems like every class is designed to play on their own (some better than others). and I think that's antithetical to the idea and role of ranged/melee in the first place.
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magnashear
01.26.2015 , 10:16 AM | #293
I don't know I don't really like cast times. It slows things down and you have to raise the damage of an ability if you change the ability from instant to cast. People would get super pissed if the ranged started getting 20K plus crits.

Back on the topic of the thread, I still don't want to see any nerfs. Right now they would either have to nerf 4 classes or buff 4 classes with an oh crap button.I would prefer the buff option. Its getting old right now every rank match is assassin powertech juggernaut soRc or some combination of those four. I would like more variety. I know there is variety in group but I would like to see it in solo as well

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hallucigenocide
01.26.2015 , 10:38 AM | #294
Quote: Originally Posted by magnashear View Post
I don't know I don't really like cast times. It slows things down and you have to raise the damage of an ability if you change the ability from instant to cast. People would get super pissed if the ranged started getting 20K plus crits.

Back on the topic of the thread, I still don't want to see any nerfs. Right now they would either have to nerf 4 classes or buff 4 classes with an oh crap button.I would prefer the buff option. Its getting old right now every rank match is assassin powertech juggernaut soRc or some combination of those four. I would like more variety. I know there is variety in group but I would like to see it in solo as well
that will never happen.. people are allways going to go for what they see to be the strongest options.. ranked will never be anything but stacking of the strongest. which is why i think it's boring as hell and want nothing to do with it.

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DrWeebs
01.26.2015 , 11:05 AM | #295
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
You mean i switched to operative heals because it was the only viable healer for ranked? Sure i switched from my sorc because ranked was no longer possible but ok. I guess switching toons to access an aspect of the game isnt ok in your book. Oh was it OP using sorc healer for 8v8s or sin tank for 8v8s? Or jugg tank for that matter?

You arent interested in the aspects surrounding your class? If you arent invested in your fun why even play? Bring my age into a conversation about a game lol, childish. Oh no some clown now thinks im 17 but fails to grasp simple life lessons like logic, which is usually learned in elementary and middle school.
The only medicine for your lack of simple life skills is reflection them most likely a bullet. Have fun
So, it is not a coincidence that in a new season you're maining a shadow and a PT when these are clearly the two most praised dps specs right now? You have all 16 sub-classes as you so proudly advertise on your signature, so you have every single AC to choose from, yet these are the two you have chosen. Your choice of subclass is a perfect illustration as to why this thread now has 300 replies. You chose those subclasses because they are very strong right now, denying that is just dishonest.

I have noticed that you love to repeatedly explain to people that they don't understand logic in your posts throughout the forum (and not just in this thread). Personally, I would work on your grammar and punctuation before attempting ad hominem attacks on people's intellectual abilities while in a written public forum. Your brazen defensiveness and clear lack of insight, in combination, do at least make for some entertaining forum fodder. *Popcorn*
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Bärtleby - Jugg
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DrWeebs
01.26.2015 , 11:33 AM | #296
Quote: Originally Posted by thamightyboro View Post
As a shadow main I disagree with aspects of the whine.

Try playing a infil shadow in present PVP even with the goodies that we choose they still suffer in PVP you can 1v1 most can do all that shizzle but with poor burst so by the time someones down a call is made. So it isn't the goodies that are at fault.

The issue isn't in the goodies but rather hatred in itself with it's new self heal core to its rotation and the absolute moronic decision to bring dot spread to the game.
I agree a lot with this. The problem is that there are other dot spread specs that don't perform at the level hatred performs. Jugg dot spec is pretty good, but still doesn't have the overall utility set and damage output that assassins have.

And I will disclose again, I am leveling up a hatred assassin because they are so so strong at the moment. This thread is not a QQ nerf assassins I'm bad and they kill me thread. I actually think they are bad for the game they are so strong. I've never re-rolled to play a fotm class, ever. But, in this case with such a disparity, I will happily play hatred while it is this strong and enjoy the fruits of my labor with leveling another toon up. As I've been leveling, I see that about 40+% of warzones are assassins/shadows. Bioware surely has metrics they watch, and when they see so many people leveling assassins/shadows and more and more of PVP becomes assassins/shadows they will have no excuse not to nerf the spec a bit in some PVP-centric way.

Level 40 and counting...
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headshot_hendo
01.26.2015 , 11:40 AM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
So, it is not a coincidence that in a new season you're maining a shadow and a PT when these are clearly the two most praised dps specs right now? You have all 16 sub-classes as you so proudly advertise on your signature, so you have every single AC to choose from, yet these are the two you have chosen. Your choice of subclass is a perfect illustration as to why this thread now has 300 replies. You chose those subclasses because they are very strong right now, denying that is just dishonest.

I have noticed that you love to repeatedly explain to people that they don't understand logic in your posts throughout the forum (and not just in this thread). Personally, I would work on your grammar and punctuation before attempting ad hominem attacks on people's intellectual abilities while in a written public forum. Your brazen defensiveness and clear lack of insight, in combination, do at least make for some entertaining forum fodder. *Popcorn*
Wait so you know me? Im gonna assume no since anyone who does knows i "main" my PT and jugg lol. Ive mained PT since pre hybrid pyro nerf when EC NIM was the highest raid in game.
I do play other toons yes lol if I didnt what would be the point of having 16 55+?
And as to your intellectual capacity, lol chief you asked if I was 17 how clever and witty you must be to steer a conversation from the issue at hand to something irrelevant much like you.
You will however have to excuse my poor punctuation 95% of my posts are made from my phone. Go ahead and tell me where I lack insight? Is it where you suggest a nerf first figure it out later approach to class balance? Or could it possibly be you are angry with one of my toons/guildmates and think by making yourself look like a fool by criticizing me, you will get revenge because you cant beat my shadow in 172 rishi mods?

Or is it maybe that you are so bent out of shape that someone has a logical solution that mitigates player loss? Oh im sorry did you not think about the fact that there are a large amount of sins?
What message does it say to a new player when he is doing well and having fun, and then you nerf his class and ruin his fun?

It says hey we didnt take the time to properly research the issue so here is a nerf.

You have to be angry with me. There is no way you can blatantly ignore simple logic.
Did you get fired from BW and you are trying to salvage your old balancing method?

I think just mad. Roll a new toon of you struggle.


PS: I dont have a main I play what toon I feel like playing. Alot of times its my merc on pot5 or my PT because they are my favorites. I havent noticed you say anything about me still "maining" my sniper, hmm.

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headshot_hendo
01.26.2015 , 11:45 AM | #298
Just guessing but maybe you are from harbinger and maybe you are a bit peeved at the fact that i was 6th highest rated sorc on server 3rd pt and 9th jugg? Either way you seem angry following me to other posts and stuff sweetheart. Might as well get over it because idc how much you dislike me, you cant beat me so no sweat for me.

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DrWeebs
01.26.2015 , 11:50 AM | #299
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Just guessing but maybe you are from harbinger and maybe you are a bit peeved at the fact that i was 6th highest rated sorc on server 3rd pt and 9th jugg? Either way you seem angry following me to other posts and stuff sweetheart. Might as well get over it because idc how much you dislike me, you cant beat me so no sweat for me.
Bastion.
Could care less what your rating was. You probably care more than anyone (as clearly indicated by your sig and your repeated mentions of your skills/rankings).
Not angry.
I read the forums a lot, and have a photographic memory.
Your hubris is noted.
*popcorn*
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Humpherie - Sorc
Bärtleby - Jugg
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DrWeebs
01.26.2015 , 11:53 AM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Wait so you know me? Im gonna assume no since anyone who does knows i "main" my PT and jugg lol. Ive mained PT since pre hybrid pyro nerf when EC NIM was the highest raid in game.
I do play other toons yes lol if I didnt what would be the point of having 16 55+?
And as to your intellectual capacity, lol chief you asked if I was 17 how clever and witty you must be to steer a conversation from the issue at hand to something irrelevant much like you.
You will however have to excuse my poor punctuation 95% of my posts are made from my phone. Go ahead and tell me where I lack insight? Is it where you suggest a nerf first figure it out later approach to class balance? Or could it possibly be you are angry with one of my toons/guildmates and think by making yourself look like a fool by criticizing me, you will get revenge because you cant beat my shadow in 172 rishi mods?

Or is it maybe that you are so bent out of shape that someone has a logical solution that mitigates player loss? Oh im sorry did you not think about the fact that there are a large amount of sins?
What message does it say to a new player when he is doing well and having fun, and then you nerf his class and ruin his fun?

It says hey we didnt take the time to properly research the issue so here is a nerf.

You have to be angry with me. There is no way you can blatantly ignore simple logic.
Did you get fired from BW and you are trying to salvage your old balancing method?

I think just mad. Roll a new toon of you struggle.


PS: I dont have a main I play what toon I feel like playing. Alot of times its my merc on pot5 or my PT because they are my favorites. I havent noticed you say anything about me still "maining" my sniper, hmm.
TLDR. Not trolling. Seriously, did not read a word. Nobody cares what you have to say at this point.
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Bärtleby - Jugg
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