Wow, going to fix Conquests?

Interesting. It's nowhere near that low on my server. I'd probably buy a bunch at that price.

I did, I blew a couple million.... sadly, no Sand Crawler... /wrist

OK, so it's not a P2W concern but that crafting is a more efficient method to gain points than others?

Does that consider the rest of the effort that goes into crafting (ignoring for the moment P2W) like obtaining materials the old-fashioned way (running gathering missions) and all the other, non-Conquest rewards that come from doing all the other activities that also happen to generate Conquest points?

I mean, crafting for points seems easy to me, but I've been a "professional" crafter in MMO's for over a decade. It should seem easy to me. It also seems pretty useless outside of the points. Neither I nor my guild needs any more Invasion Forces and they sure as heck aren't going to sell on GTN, right?

Not that getting points via Flash Points or Ops is hard, either, because I'm pretty good at those, too. But when I do those things, I also get commendations and a chance at gear that might improve a companion or alt.

Getting points via PvP, I think would also not be hard because we just have to participate, not win, and, hey, I can be a pylon all day. I suspect I would probably get other stuff for that, too, probably more if I won than lost. But I don't PvP so /shrug.

Shouldn't the "balance" we're striving for include all the aspects of the game and not focus solely on one piece of it?

Ah, I get it, now you're just arguing to argue.

My contention, from the start, is that Bioware will not address crafting because it's very beneficial to them not to. I have called it P2W because it can most clearly be used to get an advantage in conquests. They've nerfed everything that even got close to competing with it, to oblivion. That speaks volumes to me. The cartel market benefits from crafting...they won't change that.

I challenge you to hit 35k in a week just PvPing. Time yourself and tell me how long it took you.

It would take however long warzones took plus however long it took to pop them times however many I had to do based on the value of warzones for the conquest my guild picked this week divided by 35k. I'm going to guess a few hours? How long do war zones usually run for? But if it's all the same to you, I'll stay out of them because I don't PvP.

I could tell you how long it takes to get 35k via the PvE options... PvE, I do. The answer is, short enough that I can get there on 2 or 3 of my level 55 characters in a week, depending on what else I have going on that week.

Where are you going with that?

Yep, because the mats and the credits to get them just grows on trees. Just out of curiosity, however, where does P2W come in? Can you just throw your wallet at guaranteed crafting mats now? Mostly, if I'm "P2W" crafting, it's the credits that I have to grind for, or the mats that I have to grind for gathering on planets. Both of which require me to be ATK, actually playing the game. Can I have 4 comps out gathering mats while I'm grinding out credits? Sure, but so can you, and so can anyone else that wants to do it. If I were going to take this approach to Conquest, I would spend my entire gaming time logging in and out between 14 alts, keeping comps busy either gathering, or crafting mats.

This is exactly why I've made my conquest goal exactly twice since it's inception: Firstly, it's largely irrelevant, and secondly, it's a real PITA to keep it going, so I just don't. So what happens if I win? Ooh, I get my name on a leaderboard, yeah, that's a life changing event right there. I have more important, to me, things to worry about, like 70 comps that aren't all at maxed affection, or maxed on gear, and 14 toons that aren't all sporting BiS gear yet either. The biggest expenditure, gathering the mats, is actually good for the game, since it can pull insane amounts of credits out of the game, if a significant number of people are using their comps to gather.

A full circuit of my 50+ toons, sending 5 comps out to gather, costs an average of 192,500 credits, per run. If I do that every hour, in a 5 hour span, that's 962,500 credits sucked out of the game, with no absolutely guaranteed returns, some of those comps are going to fail missions, which means I'm out credits for 0 gain. That's just me, running 11 toons. Multiply that by 1000, assuming there are that many people running the same number of toons, which is likely a very low estimate, game wide, and this system shows what they had in mind with crafting. It also explains why we have morons listing a single piece of Beryllius for 1 billion credits: They don't have enough money to sustain their crafting, and they're sincerely hoping that somebody out there is as stupid as they are.

So it's ok for you to speak for everyone, but not ok for someone else? P2W means dipping into your wallet, a position you have already waffled away from with the "...and nobody would use comps to gather mats" line. Since using comps means they are, in fact, not dipping into their wallet to "P2W", they aren't, in fact P(aying)2W. They are using credits, which are earned in game, so they are, in fact, P(laying)2W, right? Apologies if that's what you actually meant to say, since it stands to reason that if you're arguing they're gathering with comps, they can't possibly be guilty of P2W by the classic definition.

They have? Strange I thought guilds were utterly abusing the operation last boss trick this week as they did the other week, not seeing a nerf there? Granted it was lazy of them to set FPs to one time from repeatable rather than fix the bugged flashpoint mechanics that let you skip 99% of the flashpoint and then invite your guildies in.

Also on PVP is it still not possible for preformed groups to be made and effectively throw matches etc. to quickly get the participation and win points? Just like in GSF with people purposely dieing etc. - I imagine preformed groups speed this along somewhat.
I've not tried it myself so uncertain as to how valid that is.

Depends on the week. If it's a Conquest with lots of PvP (kills and the like) and I've got a planetary bonus then 4-6 hours will suffice. Otherwise... haven't even tried.

I get most of my points crafting stuff that I farm in my Stronghold (3 hour timer isn't that bad when you have 22 toons).

So you wasted a report reporting nothing

and now your whining that you dont like the activities in the conquest content

Well dont take part them.
I do not like 55 warzones so I DONT DO 55 Warzones
no one is forcing you to do this content if you dont like what its about.

Well scine Tuesday is a reset of the entire game the guild that did that monday would be SOL come tuesday as it all would have been reset.
So contrary to your opinion this CAN NOT BE DONE day 1 of the new week

STOP WHINING ABOUT BEING A SMALL GUILD!
ITS YOUR CHOICE
Recruit
Join a big guild
add a couple characters to big guild but leave mains in small guild
there is penty of ways around the big guild vrs small guild issue
STOP WHINING

You are delusional
I logged in Tuesday with 4 characters sitting at 12.500 conquest points each x housing bonus and a 5th character with a 14,000 conquest points x housing bonus. (5 companions each crafting 5items each at 500 points a item. And then a 5th character removing one item and adding in a invasion force for 2000 points (1 time per legacy))

Thats 64,000 conquest points X strong hold bonus of 62% before I even played a single thing
*btw thats 103,680 conquest points total*

That doesn't seem like a lie to me

lets say your guild has 50 players do that

Thats opening day 5,184,000

By crafting alone

There is no exploit
There is no cheating
and
Crafting really is all that

Math is your friend