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Drop the cents in the GTN pricing PLZ !!

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Drop the cents in the GTN pricing PLZ !!

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MaximusRex
09.25.2014 , 04:48 PM | #61
The decimal system used is not only fine, it is more accurate then rounding to the nearest credit. If people are too stupid to understand what a decimal means even though its used in real life every day, they deserve to be separated from their credits.

This basically boils down to "BioWare, I'm too incompetent to read numbers, please hold my hand and do it for me!".

The game is rated T for Teen, if you can't understand decimals at that point you need to complain to your school, not BioWare.

I really wish I could honestly say I'm surprised that people are posting on the forum complaining about how they need a game change because they can't read numbers at the third grade level, but nothing surprises me on MMO forums anymore.

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Kaz-Res
09.25.2014 , 05:07 PM | #62
I have been playing since launch, but this is my first time in the forums, because i´m not and english native speaker, and its really hard for me to write in and intelligent way. And well, I don't usually write on any forum at all
But its is the first time I believe that I have something to say, so I will do my best to explain mi point of view.

First, Im rich, more than 70 million of credits, and I mainly pvp (sorry pvp guys, but you can actually make a lot of credits with the gtn on queue time) tatooine stronghold and dromund kaas already completed. All the mounts I want, all the white crystals and all the sets I actually want. More than 16 alts with full augmented gear. I have everything I actually need.

Second, as I have already said, I play the gtn, all the time. (Actually in the last couple of months gtn have been my only occupation, as I usually find more fun doing that than pvping, mainly because the deterioration of pvp in the last year )
As and avid gtn user, and a crafting man, (all the professions at 450, 16 alts remember ) I usually buy and sell a lot of items all the time. And I think you guys are actually making a mistake considering how easy is to get scammed with this technique.

But before I continue let me please make you a point. I lost more than 8 millions with this method, and a couple of tickets before that, when it was clear that I wasn't going to have them back, I started to use it to "recover" it my self. Im not proud, but hey, this is a hard world.
I have used it for 18 days, more or less. I have won more than 25 millions. I have actually stop counting the benefits, at that number, now it´s probably around 35 actually. Thats around 1,5 millions per day. And im not doing it the hardcore way, Im just doing it with 4 different crafting materials, at random times. So Im going to show you guys exactly how this work, so you guys understand the seriousness of the matter:

You search for a crafting material, lest say mithra, for example. The cheapest one is around 1250 per unit, again, for example. That on the gtn its shown like: 1.250
Now I go and make my move: I put 2 mithra at 1850666, than on the gtn is: 925.333 So, I put 10 stacks, with 2 mithra on each one at that price, so when one search for the cheapest and lowest way only my materials are shown on the gtn page (than only brings 8 different stacks) that way when someone with a lot of money, like me, that usually buys a lot of stacks, and don't care about the total price but only about buying them at the cheapest price will only look at that number. So you click one time, you see 1,250, you click to order it again, you see 925,333. nothing like 1,450 that will easily so you my scam because I have fill your screen with my 925,333.

That makes you to believe that you are actually making them from cheap to expensive (?¿?) when Im actually cheating the system. And this happens all the time, as my benefits prove. Now, by changing the price all the time, and adjusting my values so the discrepancy between both numbers are low, (that mean that if the price is 1,250 I will actually put some items around 1,225,333) you will make it easier for the buyer to fall for it.
If you have a lot of money, and you use the global trade network all the time, this is and extremely easy way to get it lost

Now I know that posting this here may get me banned. But I have put more than five tickets explaining it in the last two months, and so long nothing have changed. I hate to participate by the first time on the forums to said this, but its a matter that have made me really angry once, and pretty rich later. So I come here to ask for attention, and with luck a easy way to solve the problem, taking out that damn point from the gtn.

Sorry to the guys that I have scammed in the past. It looks like, after all, this is all good for most of the people here on the forums. They will tell you, you are just being stupid...

Well, and sorry for my poor english, fell free to correct me!

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wainot-keel
09.25.2014 , 05:20 PM | #63
Let's say they do drop the cents in pricing. What would be the downside to it ? I mean, it gets so much pushback...

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HelinCarnate
09.25.2014 , 06:21 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaz-Res View Post
I have been playing since launch, but this is my first time in the forums, because i´m not and english native speaker, and its really hard for me to write in and intelligent way. And well, I don't usually write on any forum at all
But its is the first time I believe that I have something to say, so I will do my best to explain mi point of view.

First, Im rich, more than 70 million of credits, and I mainly pvp (sorry pvp guys, but you can actually make a lot of credits with the gtn on queue time) tatooine stronghold and dromund kaas already completed. All the mounts I want, all the white crystals and all the sets I actually want. More than 16 alts with full augmented gear. I have everything I actually need.

Second, as I have already said, I play the gtn, all the time. (Actually in the last couple of months gtn have been my only occupation, as I usually find more fun doing that than pvping, mainly because the deterioration of pvp in the last year )
As and avid gtn user, and a crafting man, (all the professions at 450, 16 alts remember ) I usually buy and sell a lot of items all the time. And I think you guys are actually making a mistake considering how easy is to get scammed with this technique.

But before I continue let me please make you a point. I lost more than 8 millions with this method, and a couple of tickets before that, when it was clear that I wasn't going to have them back, I started to use it to "recover" it my self. Im not proud, but hey, this is a hard world.
I have used it for 18 days, more or less. I have won more than 25 millions. I have actually stop counting the benefits, at that number, now it´s probably around 35 actually. Thats around 1,5 millions per day. And im not doing it the hardcore way, Im just doing it with 4 different crafting materials, at random times. So Im going to show you guys exactly how this work, so you guys understand the seriousness of the matter:

You search for a crafting material, lest say mithra, for example. The cheapest one is around 1250 per unit, again, for example. That on the gtn its shown like: 1.250
Now I go and make my move: I put 2 mithra at 1850666, than on the gtn is: 925.333 So, I put 10 stacks, with 2 mithra on each one at that price, so when one search for the cheapest and lowest way only my materials are shown on the gtn page (than only brings 8 different stacks) that way when someone with a lot of money, like me, that usually buys a lot of stacks, and don't care about the total price but only about buying them at the cheapest price will only look at that number. So you click one time, you see 1,250, you click to order it again, you see 925,333. nothing like 1,450 that will easily so you my scam because I have fill your screen with my 925,333.

That makes you to believe that you are actually making them from cheap to expensive (?¿?) when Im actually cheating the system. And this happens all the time, as my benefits prove. Now, by changing the price all the time, and adjusting my values so the discrepancy between both numbers are low, (that mean that if the price is 1,250 I will actually put some items around 1,225,333) you will make it easier for the buyer to fall for it.
If you have a lot of money, and you use the global trade network all the time, this is and extremely easy way to get it lost

Now I know that posting this here may get me banned. But I have put more than five tickets explaining it in the last two months, and so long nothing have changed. I hate to participate by the first time on the forums to said this, but its a matter that have made me really angry once, and pretty rich later. So I come here to ask for attention, and with luck a easy way to solve the problem, taking out that damn point from the gtn.

Sorry to the guys that I have scammed in the past. It looks like, after all, this is all good for most of the people here on the forums. They will tell you, you are just being stupid...

Well, and sorry for my poor english, fell free to correct me!
Works great but now that you told everyone how its done someone will just come along and under.....um I mean overcut you for 1 credit
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Kaz-Res
09.26.2014 , 01:08 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by HelinCarnate View Post
Works great but now that you told everyone how its done someone will just come along and under.....um I mean overcut you for 1 credit
I don't mind at this point, I just want to show people that this is actually a serious problem if nothing is change, because crafting is one of the main occupation of mmos for many people, and crafters are the main target of this problem. And I just don't need the money... nor find this satisfying at all. (Besides, better if you overcut me by 1000 credits, so the x,333 makes people believe that the price per unit is dividend of 1/3. When the price is x,3335 you won't fail for it)

This method can be exploit with thousands of different materials, I have just do it with four at a time, imagine if I had actually used it with more than ten...
Its so easy to get it wrong when buying at night times, or when talking with people on the chat, or just waiting for a queue to pop. If your mind is just in other place then you can easily make a mistake...

I actually believe that people that don't want this to change are using this method, and I want to show all forum users that its really easer to make this mistake. Oh, and more than 6 millions more this night...That will make more or less 40 million on 20 days... of guys being stupid... yeah

This has to stop, and the only way of doing it is pointing that this is a serous matter, and not only a "stupid people make stupid mistakes all the time"

Again sorry for my poor english!

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Draqsko
09.26.2014 , 01:40 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaz-Res View Post
IYou search for a crafting material, lest say mithra, for example. The cheapest one is around 1250 per unit, again, for example. That on the gtn its shown like: 1.250
Now I go and make my move: I put 2 mithra at 1850666, than on the gtn is: 925.333 So, I put 10 stacks, with 2 mithra on each one at that price, so when one search for the cheapest and lowest way only my materials are shown on the gtn page (than only brings 8 different stacks) that way when someone with a lot of money, like me, that usually buys a lot of stacks, and don't care about the total price but only about buying them at the cheapest price will only look at that number. So you click one time, you see 1,250, you click to order it again, you see 925,333. nothing like 1,450 that will easily so you my scam because I have fill your screen with my 925,333.
Except if they realize SWTOR will only display 2 decimal places, or 0 decimal places (if it's a whole number), the only way this works is with stupid people.

Using your example:
925.333 <- This number is in hundreds of thousands of credits
925.33 <- This number is in hundreds of credits

See the difference?

If you somehow set the price of a stack so that the unit price is 100.003 (100 plus 3/1000 of a credit), the GTN would display 100.00 for a unit price. The game is incapable of displaying 1/1000 of a credit.

Oh and saying I lost 8m because of this therefore I am going to do this too, does not make this justified. I can't put what I really think about you without getting banned on this forum, but I can say this, you are actually worse of a person than the person that ripped you off.

PS: Oh and I've made twice that money in the same timeframe by honestly buying and selling on the GTN. And that's on the lowest population server in the game, Jung Ma. Sorry, it's not even a good way to recoup your loses and I've taken more than 8m credit hits in GTN trading in my time doing it. Hard work is what I do, watching the trends in the market, pulling/placing stock to manipulate prices, nabbing the steal for the flip. What you did, takes all of 30 seconds but is a completely unreliable source of income since it is a scam and requires people to fall for it.

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Kissakias
09.26.2014 , 01:51 AM | #67
Also, because i hate that X,99
when i see an item that want to buy, with price 19.999 and the next expensive is at 20.000, i always buy the 20k
just because i hate that deceiving price
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Shoraan
09.26.2014 , 02:58 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Draqsko View Post
Oh and saying I lost 8m because of this therefore I am going to do this too, does not make this justified. I can't put what I really think about you without getting banned on this forum, but I can say this, you are actually worse of a person than the person that ripped you off.
I don't think he tried to justify it or he wouldn't have posted it. He actually stated that he thinks it's a problem that needs to be solved.

Also, why would he be a worse person than the one that ripped him of? The term "worse" implies a moral judgement. Since the act itself is the same, you would have to apply the judgement to the motivation behind the act. His motivation was "I need to recoup my losses", but we don't know the motivation of the guy that ripped him of, so we can't make that judgement. Would you say Robin Hood was a worse person than the Sheriff of Nottingham, because Robin Hood stole the money as a reaction to the Sheriff stealing the money first?

Quote: Originally Posted by Draqsko View Post
it is a scam and requires people to fall for it.
As the other thread has shown, there are plenty of people who refuse to call this a scam, because all the information is readily available. I may agree or disagree, it hardly matters.

The question is, would changing the GTN display be a lot of work for Bioware? As someone else suggested, they could always show two decimals (even when it's .00) in the Price Per Unit column and we're set. This should be a trivial change and I don't think anyone will be harmed (except for those that use the described method to "earn" credits). (I am usually very reluctant to call any change in someone else's code "trivial", but this should really be easy. I mean, we're not talking about DateTime values. )

Dropping the decimals and rounding the numbers to full credits would be ok for me but I can understand why some people would prefer decimals.

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ThorgrimLutgen
09.26.2014 , 03:31 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Brewski View Post
........................He's just suggesting they drop the decimal values from the calculated GTN prices. It's not a bad suggestion really. Should be simple to code, doesn't cause any real issue to the player, and helps resolve some ambiguity on the GTN listing screen...........................
There is no ambiguity.

Kids aged 5 are taught basic number recognition, you know at the same time as learning to tell the time or spell their name.

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Kaz-Res
09.26.2014 , 06:35 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Draqsko View Post
PS: Oh and I've made twice that money in the same timeframe by honestly buying and selling on the GTN. And that's on the lowest population server in the game, Jung Ma. Sorry, it's not even a good way to recoup your loses and I've taken more than 8m credit hits in GTN trading in my time doing it. Hard work is what I do, watching the trends in the market, pulling/placing stock to manipulate prices, nabbing the steal for the flip. What you did, takes all of 30 seconds but is a completely unreliable source of income since it is a scam and requires people to fall for it.
its not a matter of justifying myself, I started it to recover my money one month later of my own "stupidity", when it was clear to this community that all of this is was actually "legal" somehow... : Then it was just a matter of testing how much money a could make in a month. I have already said, im pretty rich, it was not a problem of making money.

And I have also make a lot of money with my own crafting and honest gtn work during this time, this was not my point. Do you realize most people out there can't make a million, because they just don't know how gtn usually work? and that this way they can make hundreds of them with little effort? Really little effort?
They are a lot of solutions out there. Do not show "cents", tu put an empty space instead of a point for thousands of credits: instead of 11.250 it will be something like 11 250, I don't know... eliminate the point with thousand of more credits:1.000 will now be 1000

Its not hard to think a different way to order them, the way it now actually work is just wrong.