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AshlaBoga
09.13.2014 , 10:53 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
Any game that builds its end game around hardcore, rarely seen, massive time sink content is not going to work in mass market appeal. It could work as a niche game but if they have a bottom line that requires a large number of players to be successful and profitable, it must appeal to the larger, more casual group. The end game MUST be accessible to a more "casual" market.

There really isn't any debate there. This has been shown again and again since WoW.

Niche games can be as hardcore as they want. Mass market games cannot. A company needs to structure their financial plan around that.
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09.13.2014 , 11:31 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
It's funny, when ESO was in late Beta I heard a lot of negative things about it - enough that I didn't really consider buying it. But WS got great reviews and I almost bought a copy. Then WS lost more players than expected after the first 4 months. Why did the two get such different launch reviews, but fair similarly?
Having played both in beta, and following a bit of the news on them, I think WildStar was better polished, and has more of an endgame problem, that being that their endgame is hyper-hardcore, and the hardcores got old and have careers and families now, and the second gen of gamers that started with the World of Warcraft tide was just never really that hardcore. ESO was buggy as heck in beta, and I understand it didn't get the polish they promised by release.

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Lotharofxev
09.14.2014 , 01:58 AM | #33
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ESO was buggy as heck in beta, and I understand it didn't get the polish they promised by release.
Understatement of the week.

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09.14.2014 , 01:59 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximusRex View Post
ESO was buggy as heck in beta, and I understand it didn't get the polish they promised by release.
Which MMO wasn't?
They are all buggy as hell when they're released because they're all rushed.
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Lotharofxev
09.14.2014 , 06:27 AM | #35
WoW had one major issue (that I remember) and that was loot lag. Yes, if you blew through levels there was some end game content issues, but for the regular, log on two hours a day, folks, nothing like ESO.

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09.15.2014 , 11:40 PM | #36
I have nothing but thoughts of support for all the games, they all have their strengths and weaknesses, though I do hope that people will maybe remember in the future that the next big MMO announced isn't going to be as big as they think and kill this game, or WoW, or any other older MMO. But probably not. I suspect EQ Next will be the next thing that everyone will say is going to destroy all competition.
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09.16.2014 , 07:16 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by TheNahash View Post
Which MMO wasn't?
They are all buggy as hell when they're released because they're all rushed.
ESO just keeps doing it. Every update is like launch level bugs. Not just new content, but actually breaks mechanics of abilities and all that sort of stuff. That I could have lived with, though; as I so wanted to love the game, but for me, they just are moving so slow at making some things viable so you are not pushed to wear a dress and carry a stick, making all those skill choices meaningless; or to bring out anything actually interesting besides more VR levels to grind every 3 months.

I wanted to just enjoy the siege PvP and eventually the justice system, but it looks like they have plans for PvE grinding for a long, long time yet before that justice system and that also keeps me too busy to even enjoy top level PvP. I could go on and on with the disappointments but maybe they will get there some day. Untill then, I'm not going to sit there and keep playing while Im not having fun.

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09.16.2014 , 03:44 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Technohic View Post
ESO just keeps doing it. Every update is like launch level bugs. Not just new content, but actually breaks mechanics of abilities and all that sort of stuff. That I could have lived with, though; as I so wanted to love the game, but for me, they just are moving so slow at making some things viable so you are not pushed to wear a dress and carry a stick, making all those skill choices meaningless; or to bring out anything actually interesting besides more VR levels to grind every 3 months.

I wanted to just enjoy the siege PvP and eventually the justice system, but it looks like they have plans for PvE grinding for a long, long time yet before that justice system and that also keeps me too busy to even enjoy top level PvP. I could go on and on with the disappointments but maybe they will get there some day. Untill then, I'm not going to sit there and keep playing while Im not having fun.
I was only talking about release.
What they do after that is their own problem. But I can sympathize with the developers who are trying to create a massive world and have a big company breathing on their necks, constantly asking them to hurry up and finish when they know they have issues that haven't been fixed yet.
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branmakmuffin
09.17.2014 , 10:15 AM | #39
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I suspect EQ Next will be the next thing that everyone will say is going to destroy all competition.
EQN has been out for months.

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09.17.2014 , 01:16 PM | #40
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Have you done the Attunement for the 20 Man? It's grindy grindy grindy.

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That's hilarious. No wonder people are leaving. Semicore and casual players aren't going to waste hours upon hours grinding the same BS over and over just to get "key" to do something.

You don't have those players? You don't have a bottom line.

The only exception is when your financial outlook never planned on them in the first place.
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