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MSchuyler
08.16.2014 , 10:27 AM | #11
Actually, what really happened is that the game was never close to dying. They never gave out numbers. It's just that players, especially forum members, figured they were experts on game design, programming, mathematics, business development, and economics plus had the unique ability to discern the state of the game from cryptic phrases appearing in EA reports to investors or some obscure game zine that had a writer with a similar bent of believing in his ability to interpret the runes and see the future without access to any real facts.

Then it became excruciatingly obvious to even detractors that the game was actually doing well with more level-headed players pointing out the few observable statistics they were able to glean from the press, especially those who had no bone to pick with EA or BW and were just reporting the facts. The game itself has changed very little since launch, and many of the changes, e.g. The Cartel Market, were met with universal disdain by all the economics experts predicting dire ruin and lamenting "credit sinks." How dare they? But the game just kept rumbling along and now those claims of "dying off" are themselves dying off as the refrain is getting pretty frayed around the edges.

The whole issue, though perhaps exacerbated by EA's tight-lipped refusal to divulge company confidential information (something not mandated nor performed by many companies worldwide anyway), is the result ov overactive imaginations and doomsday prophecies of people already proven to immerse themselves in a complete fantasy world anyway.

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Doreian
08.16.2014 , 10:45 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post
Actually, what really happened is that the game was never close to dying. They never gave out numbers. It's just that players, especially forum members, figured they were experts on game design, programming, mathematics, business development, and economics plus had the unique ability to discern the state of the game from cryptic phrases appearing in EA reports to investors or some obscure game zine that had a writer with a similar bent of believing in his ability to interpret the runes and see the future without access to any real facts.

Then it became excruciatingly obvious to even detractors that the game was actually doing well with more level-headed players pointing out the few observable statistics they were able to glean from the press, especially those who had no bone to pick with EA or BW and were just reporting the facts. The game itself has changed very little since launch, and many of the changes, e.g. The Cartel Market, were met with universal disdain by all the economics experts predicting dire ruin and lamenting "credit sinks." How dare they? But the game just kept rumbling along and now those claims of "dying off" are themselves dying off as the refrain is getting pretty frayed around the edges.

The whole issue, though perhaps exacerbated by EA's tight-lipped refusal to divulge company confidential information (something not mandated nor performed by many companies worldwide anyway), is the result ov overactive imaginations and doomsday prophecies of people already proven to immerse themselves in a complete fantasy world anyway.
That explains why I could log into fleet and there would only be myself....and rarely one other person. Imagine Imp fleet all to myself. Which lies the real issue at the beginning. They opened up too many servers to account for all the people playing....then alot of people left and they had way too many servers open.
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Pathlight-
08.16.2014 , 10:47 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post
Actually, what really happened is that the game was never close to dying. They never gave out numbers. It's just that players, especially forum members, figured they were experts on game design, programming, mathematics, business development, and economics plus had the unique ability to discern the state of the game from cryptic phrases appearing in EA reports to investors or some obscure game zine that had a writer with a similar bent of believing in his ability to interpret the runes and see the future without access to any real facts.

Then it became excruciatingly obvious to even detractors that the game was actually doing well with more level-headed players pointing out the few observable statistics they were able to glean from the press, especially those who had no bone to pick with EA or BW and were just reporting the facts. The game itself has changed very little since launch, and many of the changes, e.g. The Cartel Market, were met with universal disdain by all the economics experts predicting dire ruin and lamenting "credit sinks." How dare they? But the game just kept rumbling along and now those claims of "dying off" are themselves dying off as the refrain is getting pretty frayed around the edges.

The whole issue, though perhaps exacerbated by EA's tight-lipped refusal to divulge company confidential information (something not mandated nor performed by many companies worldwide anyway), is the result ov overactive imaginations and doomsday prophecies of people already proven to immerse themselves in a complete fantasy world anyway.
Sorry but you are wrong.

The game was in very, very bad shape by summer 2012.

Most servers were ghost towns and more than a million players had left and the game was still hemorrhaging subs. If F2P hadn't been a success, I am 100% sure EA would have closed down the game or switched it to maintenance mode.

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Master-Nala
08.16.2014 , 10:53 AM | #14
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Sorry but you are wrong.

The game was in very, very bad shape by summer 2012.

Most servers were ghost towns and more than a million players had left and the game was still hemorrhaging subs. If F2P hadn't been a success, I am 100% sure EA would have closed down the game or switched it to maintenance mode.
You're wrong too. The truth is, as it is most time, in the middle.

Some servers were low population in 2012, but popular servers like Harbinger and Jedi Covenant were doing fine. The game was making money, but EA saw an opportunity to make much more money going F2P, so they did. As it happens they wound up being right and SWTOR is making a good amount of money.
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Pathlight-
08.16.2014 , 10:58 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Master-Nala View Post
You're wrong too. The truth is, as it is most time, in the middle.

Some servers were low population in 2012, but popular servers like Harbinger and Jedi Covenant were doing fine. The game was making money, but EA saw an opportunity to make much more money going F2P, so they did. As it happens they wound up being right and SWTOR is making a good amount of money.
Considering that their break even point was 500K subs and the speed at which they were losing them, they would have dipped well below that had they not gone F2P. Plus, EA's goal with Swtor was never to break even or to make a small profit, they did not invest 200-400 millions to get a small ROI.

My point stands, the game was in very bad shape (most servers dead, most of the staff fired, no communication whatsoever from the dev team, EA not even mentioning Swtor in their earnings reports...) and was very likely headed for an early death is F2P hadn't occurred and been done well.

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TheNahash
08.16.2014 , 11:02 AM | #16
Somewhere out there MrJurgens' head is exploding over and over again with every post about the game not dying back in 2012 or being in a pretty good place today.
And he's probably looking for his credit card so he can create yet another "Tortanic" account to let us know exactly how he feels about this thread.
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Pathlight-
08.16.2014 , 11:08 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by TheNahash View Post
Somewhere out there MrJurgens' head is exploding over and over again with every post about the game not dying back in 2012 or being in a pretty good place today.
And he's probably looking for his credit card so he can create yet another "Tortanic" account to let us know exactly how he feels about this thread.
He's probably trolling some other MMO's forums trying to give a meaning to his sad life.

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psikofunkster
08.16.2014 , 11:19 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Master-Nala View Post
You're wrong too. The truth is, as it is most time, in the middle.
No, you are wrong, don't know about harbinger but jedi covenant is in pretty bad shape. I'm talking specifically about Flashpoints and operations here, don't know about the other aspects of the game though.

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ZETA_SCORPII
08.16.2014 , 11:35 AM | #19
This community hasn't been the same since the fall of Jurgens.

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Darth_Wicked
08.16.2014 , 11:36 AM | #20
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This community hasn't been the same since the fall of Jurgens.
He helped to support a game he supposedly reviled. People are weird.