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A Dark Jedi question


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smackone
12.24.2011 , 04:25 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by KorloAlentis View Post
I believe every jedi who falls to the drak side frist can be described as Dark Jedi, but then they can still turn to the light again, while a sith has passed beyond the point of no return and can no longer be saved(don't give me examples where this has not been the case). So while a dark jedi ccan still turn back, a sith fcuses so much on hate, fear and passion, that he is consumed fully by the drak side.

So, dark jedi: Not entirely evil.

Sith: pure evil
Darth Vader turned back to the light tho...
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XinnKoda
12.24.2011 , 09:44 PM | #12
Correct me if I'm wrong... but fast forward in time to where the rise of darth vader happened. At this time, the Sith had been pretty much wiped from the face of the galaxy. Darth Vader and Sidious were really the only "true" sith left. Sidious learned the ways of the sith from his former master Plageus (spelling?), who then taught Vader. If you look at SWG, even if you learned the dark side of the force you were never a "sith", you were a "dark jedi". In the movies they refer to the Sith as being an ancient religion. I think in order to be an actual Sith you have to have been taught from a previous Sith. In my own humble opinion, I look at dark jedi as force users who use the force for evil. Whether that be the dark side of the force or light side. Because there are Jedi Knight's who also use the dark side but for good. I think I read once that Jedi Sentinels were trained in the dark side of the force because they wanted a type of Jedi that could defeat a Sith at their own game. If I'm not mistaken, the jedi council banned the training of sentinels due to the fact that their own jedi were falling to the dark side of the force completely after being exposed to it for so long. I believe Mace Windu was one of the last sentinels left. Lucas proves this by his fighting. When Dooku shot lightning at obi-won he blocked it with his lightsaber. When dooku shot lightning at Yoda, he absorbed it. But when Sidious (the most powerful Sith in the galaxy before Vader), shot lightning at Windu, not only did Windu block it, he was able to deflect it back into Sidious' own face. What are your thoughts on this?

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psychogobstopper
12.24.2011 , 11:02 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by XinnKoda View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong... but fast forward in time to where the rise of darth vader happened. At this time, the Sith had been pretty much wiped from the face of the galaxy. Darth Vader and Sidious were really the only "true" sith left.
This is more or less accurate. Darth Plagueis was an adherent of Darth Bane's Rule of Two, and thus so was Darth Sidious - "always two there are, a master and an apprentice". Sidious, however, seemed willing to move beyond the Rule of Two; he allowed Darth Tyrannus to have apprentices (Asajj Ventress, Savage Opress), for example. He also maintained different "orders" of his own - the Emperor's Hands were Force-sensitive assassins; the Royal Guard consisted of Force users; and various Dark Side Adepts.


Quote: Originally Posted by XinnKoda View Post
I believe Mace Windu was one of the last sentinels left. Lucas proves this by his fighting. When Dooku shot lightning at obi-won he blocked it with his lightsaber. When dooku shot lightning at Yoda, he absorbed it. But when Sidious (the most powerful Sith in the galaxy before Vader), shot lightning at Windu, not only did Windu block it, he was able to deflect it back into Sidious' own face. What are your thoughts on this?
Mace Windu was the creator of a lightsaber combat form known as Vaapad, which channeled his own enjoyment of combat. As its creator, Windu was the only Jedi to master that combat style and not fall to the Dark Side in the process. This does not mean, however, that Windu was actually trained to use the Dark Side, though he did occasionally use abilities that were more aggressive than the ones most Jedi would use. Windu had a somewhat dark nature even before he became a Jedi due to his homeworld of Haruun Kal. This would be the first I've heard of him being trained as a "Jedi Sentinel;" terms like these aren't often used in the wider Expanded Universe beyond video games that need distinct classes.

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stephnashty
01.05.2012 , 04:52 PM | #14
I'm a Jedi Shadow going dark side.

Just thinking out loud, but shouldn't our Project skill turn into the Shock skill that Assassins get?

Also, it would be cool if our Kinetic Throw ability turned into the Force Lightning skill.

=/ I would just rather shoot lightning than throw rocks... even if it's just the animation that changes.

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shagatha
01.10.2012 , 11:04 AM | #15
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=/ I would just rather shoot lightning than throw rocks... even if it's just the animation that changes.
It's not just animation. Lightning does damage instantly where as physical throwing skills at the end of animation.

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Seductivpancakes
01.10.2012 , 11:30 AM | #16
Every time I read a story about a dark Jedi, they are typically bad because they did something evil and fled the Jedi Order or just got really angry. Like, "I'll kill you" angry. A good example would be Asajj Ventress, Rosh Penin, and Aurra Sing.

There are some some Jedi or tread very close to the Dark Side by still stay on the Light side of the force. Examples include, Quin Lin Vos, Luke Skywalker and Kyle Katarn.

Then there are force users that are for neither the Sith or the Jedi, and in fact, used by the Empire. They are refer to as Grey Knights. I think they were first established in the Star Wars Legacy comics.

I think the difference between a Dark Jedi and a Sith is that a Sith embraces the teachings of the Sith ways, as were a Dark Jedi does evil acts but does not live by the Sith Code.

A good example of a Jedi going Sith would be, Anakin Skywalker, Count Dooku and Jacen Solo.

Just what I think.

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tazias
01.10.2012 , 11:40 AM | #17
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I oppose for one simple reason. Usually dark jedi are roguish. They live for themselve and expect to use their abilities to make their lives better. They are no necessarily evil. They accept the force like a tool. Affiliating themselves with the empire would only make sense if the dark jedi acted like a bounty hunter. Most dark Jedi are seen wielding blasters, off weapons and equipment too hide their affinity to the force and their Sabers. They are highly intelligent and know that showing their true identity could draw to much attention. Being affiliated with the empire or the republic should be a choice and not be forced on class. Like the empirial agent could be a simple agent. From my point of view the republic doesnt look much different from the empire in many ways this agent could work with the republic, the empire, a crime lord or he could be the crime lord.
this an earlier post I made on if dark jedi should be able to change sides

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Jarbo-Cohig
01.25.2012 , 05:54 PM | #18
Super late to this, but a Dark Jedi is any force user who denies the light side of the Force. They can be rogue jedi, fallen jedi, or just dark force users. The Jedi and Sith are Orders, Dark Jedi are part of neither.

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georgemattson
01.25.2012 , 08:51 PM | #19
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My Question is this...are all Dark jedi evil? Or is dark jedi just a term used to describe Jedi that have fallen away from the teachings of the order?

In my personal quest I have always ignored the LS/DS points and just done what my instinct would do and to be honest I have run a 65-35 DS over LS with my choices.

Does this make me evil?
No, it just makes you a Republican.

Just kidding!

Seriously, though; I've always disliked the simplistic black/white morality of the Star Wars universe. The characters are so ungodly boring (even Hans Olo*). I'd like to see the "dark side" represented more by characters like Michael Corleone, Dexter Morgan, Shane Morgan, etc. In other words, multi-dimensional. Watcher One and Lord Scourage were good examples that I would have loved to see fleshed out a lot more, and I really would have liked to see more options during the Jedi Knight questline where you have a compelling reason to tell the council or some of the Republic brass to kiss your huge robed butt.

Yeah, I'll save the galaxy and help the homeless orphans, but wouldn't you love to have some portion of the questline where you punch out a Republic general or decide to let some group of Jedi die because they pissed you off a few too many times or were perhaps going off in some direction that conflicted with "the greater good?" Emotional depth; that'd be awesome.


* Okay, I lied; I actually liked Hans Olo, but Han Solo? Blecch.

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puzzlemaniak
01.25.2012 , 09:26 PM | #20
Morality in SW isn't that black&white as you might think, just look at Obi-Wan and Yoda, it's like:
-Hey Yoda, I sense my friends are in danger, they can die.
-Nou, go you cannot, noob you are and Vader turn you will, here you must stay and move rocks some more you should.
or
-But Obi-Wan, Vader is my father, what should I do?
-What, he's just machine, kill him like a man, we're the good guys, remember? Btw, kill emperor too, cuz we jedi don't like him.
Imo Jedi are evil plague, many of them were traitors, and some betrayed their followers more than once, like Vader first republic, then his emperor when he saw he's too busy to steamroll him, or Kyle Katarn, or Ulic Qel-Droma, or Revan, or...