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Fix Gunships, until then i quit.

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Fix Gunships, until then i quit.

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Comradebot
08.13.2014 , 10:08 AM | #11
I spend a solid amount of time flying both a scout and a gunship (and a bomber, but unrelated), so might as well give my two cents...

1. If your opponents are in a coordinated pre-made and using some kinda voice chat and all have at least decently upgraded ships, and your team is a full on PuG with a bunch of newbies, winning is going to be nearly impossible. It's just a sad fact of GSF, and thankfully in my experience you'll have far, far more games where this isn't the case (though the games where the premade spanks you super hard do stand out). Hell, even if your PuG is mostly solid pilots in upgraded ships, that pre-made with voice chat is going to be a hard nut to crack. Possible though, I've seen it happen.

2. Yeah, gunships really are a pain as a new player in GSF. A coordinated group? Yikes. Plenty of good advice here, though, but sometimes you just gotta accept that you can't be Rambo and singlehandedly take down a trio of coordinated gunships with repair drones. Because, as with the above, beating a coordinated pre-made is never an easy task (but it also doesn't reflect the majority of my GSF experiences). One or two gunships in a PuG can still be daunting when you're first starting off, but they arent' so rough once you learn how to deal with them. Use evasion, try and sneak up on them, learn to use hard cover to get into range before charging. Very few gunships pilots are good enough to stand toe to toe with another ship in a dogfight and will run at the first sign of trouble. If they do flee, be careful about giving chase: pretty common gunship tactic to immediately take shelter in the midst of their allies, meaning you'll get swarmed and die. Still, harassing them and keeping them from shooting the rail gun is huge.

Once you've got a little practice, gunships aren't all that terrifying on their own. With my gunship I know I'm far less effective when I'm busy getting stuck in dogfights with scouts and strikes and having to blast them with lasers and missiles instead of my rail gun (still satisfying when I get kills doing this, though!). Play a little more and you'll learn that high evasion scouts are infinitely more painful to deal with than any gunship. They're definitely the bane of gunships... and, like, everything else.
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08.13.2014 , 01:57 PM | #12
I see there are still plenty of gunship hate threads. I was a very, very avid GSF player when it launched, then quit GSF when bombers were introduced. Quit SWTOR for a while, back now but still haven't queued a single GSF match and have no intention of doing so. I used to think it was a gunship balance issue, but now I think its more a playstyle issue. I simply do not like being in a starfighter game where there are snipers, period. I already hated playing with gunships then bombers were a bridge too far for me. It completely changed the dynamics of the game to the point where I hated it.

I'm not saying gunships or bombers are unbalanced, or that they're bad. I'm saying that they're bad for me personally. I just don't have fun playing a dogfighting starfighter game with snipers. Other people love it. Awesome, good for them. I don't like it so I don't queue. I really used to think it was a balance issue, but upon reflection and being away from it for a while, I really don't think that that is it. I think some people just really hate being in a starfighter game with snipers. For some people, myself included, it makes the dynamics of the game not fun.

Granted, the introduction of TDM also killed interest for me. I absolutely hated every second of TDM when I played it, whether I was on the winning or losing team. I like objective-based play, I found TDM to be a chaotic mess. Again, personal preference.

It's a shame for me personally, I really really loved GSF at first and was pretty bitterly disappointed in TDM and gunships and bombers. It was the first thing that they introduced that actually made me spend money apart from my monthly sub: I bought cartel coins to transfer to fleet req and to buy all the cosmetic ships and stuff.

So in essence, I agree with the OP but it might not be a balance issue he has a problem with. It is perfectly possible to deal with gunships (though I always did feel they were slightly overpowered). I just found that even though I COULD deal with gunships, I didn't WANT to. It was just frustrating to have someone parked halfway across the battlefield blowing you up before you can do anything. Some people think it adds an interesting dynamic to the gameplay. I don't at all, and so I don't play it anymore nor do I buy cartel coins. /shrug.

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Bolo_Yeung
08.13.2014 , 02:32 PM | #13
The problem with spawn camping is that when you spawn, you can see animation of 'hyperspace jump" played. You cant control your ship at this moment but are visible on battlefield - and you *can* be damaged. if a gunship nearby notice you - it can hit you with ion rail, effectively crippling. Better tactic? 2-3 seismic mines in spawn area (add interdictions for good measure) - Scouts are dead before they can do anything. Other ships are just (slowly) moving targets...

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Kintosi
08.13.2014 , 07:23 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by SammyGStatus View Post
Are you Kintosi by chance not serious, just similar in your hate of gunships

You're gonna get wrecked by players that're better than you regardless of the ship they're in. Gunships are just snipers. How to counter a sniper? Get in fast and zerg from close. If you can't do that, you need to learn to fly. Regardless, good bye!!!!
Okay, seriously, what is your problem with me? I make one comment against using multiple gunships (3+) / premades against a team of almost entirely 2-shippers, and you've been trolling ever since. I let it drop a long time ago. You need to do so as well. This is borderline harassment man.
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mattycutts
08.14.2014 , 06:08 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by sartt View Post
GSF is the main reason i played this game, and the main reason i re-subbed and the sole reason im unsubbing. Theres no point at all in playing GSF when the enemy team has 3 gunship camping your spawn point or sitting in midfield with repair drones around them. Fly in as a scout get insta killed . Strike fighters don't have enough speed or boost to get next to them in time. Scout can't do anything to them i've shot rockets at them laser cannons and somehow when im shooting them i seem to get hit with reflective damage? This is unacceptable. Nothing beats them. I've teamed up with a player who had a cartel scout ship vs 1 gunship and he still managed to kill both of us in 4 shots.

To the Dev's look at this ship and re design it, its horribly unbalanced.
i never understand the hatred towards gunships. my main is a gunship, before im called, im mastered in all ship types and love scouts and fighters. only other night me and a mate faced a top team that had 3 gunships (2 of 3 really good players) with 2 bombers, i started out on my gunship got my *** handed to me, so levelled playing field swapping between scout and fighter, me and mate spent little longer but managed to get round edge and back of them swarmed in at different angles, what didnt run out them 5 ships died. the point im making is learn everything about each ship and their easy to counter, if u target soemone it even tells u position their facing that alone u should learn to spot.

as for spawn camping, i hate this and i never do it but for god sake theres 3 spawn points perhaps choose another one.

Gunships like any ship are not invincible just need the skill that u gain in time, if you want easy style i suggest u roll a fotm ground pvp class. GSF is about skill first you either learn or quit. Hope you choose the learn option and stick at it, best feature of game GSF. If you happen to be on red eclipse look me up ill team up with you and help you. if not wish u all the best.
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Llama-Eight
08.14.2014 , 08:59 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by mattycutts View Post
i never understand the hatred towards gunships.
Presumably because people who like to dogfight don't like snipers ruining their fun...

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only other night me and a mate faced a top team that had 3 gunships (2 of 3 really good players) with 2 bombers, i started out on my gunship got my *** handed to me, so levelled playing field swapping between scout and fighter, me and mate spent little longer but managed to get round edge and back of them swarmed in at different angles, what didnt run out them 5 ships died.
Wow, you & your mate sound like awesome players, I really must join your Rep-side guild, Eternal Dawn was it?

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Icebergy
08.14.2014 , 11:53 AM | #17
Gunships are fine, stop flying in a straight line and be aware of your surroundings.
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I am happy that there will be a renewed focus on story, I love story, its why I picked this MMO. But I picked an MMO, not an episodic single player RPG that I have to pay a subscription to receive the episodes.

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Llama-Eight
08.15.2014 , 03:06 AM | #18
And if you are going to fly in a straight line, make sure it's from behind them (& to a lesser extent, from the sides).

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mattycutts
08.15.2014 , 05:29 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Llama-Eight View Post
And if you are going to fly in a straight line, make sure it's from behind them (& to a lesser extent, from the sides).
lol no, u know which guild im in lol just not altered signature yet. Someone had to come finish your guys gsf training
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Magira
08.15.2014 , 07:19 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Llama-Eight View Post
Presumably because people who like to dogfight don't like snipers ruining their fun...
Dogfighting? In "normal" PVP simply calls the mindless thrashing Zerg.
Well done Bioware introduce the counterpoint with the GS and to promote tactical and strategic game.
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