I think sometimes Raiders need to be reminded a Flashpoint isn't an OP

I think something I'm learning is that trying to be a teacher rather than just playing the game kills enjoyment of it if overdone, which those who fashion themselves as teachers tend to lean towards. We worry about people knowing what to do when they move on to harder content, without ever really questioning if that will ever be their interest down the line, and if so, then they will figure it out then, and the teachers don't have to worry about teaching as much until that point.

, maybe we all should just lighten the hell up a bit when it comes to the run of the mill flashpoints?

This is where you really fail at understanding xp gain. Yes, you get the bulk of your xp for the turn in. But the group that takes the extra 10 to 15 minutes to knock out the mobs you pass up not only gets your turn in as well, but an additional (roughly) 10-20 k xp to boot. Over several runs, they will eclipse your xp per minute ratio.

The only time a spped run makes sense is to get in under the gun as double xp winds down, or sheer personal preference, which is fine, but just be honest about that, rather than propagating the falsehood that a speed run gets you more xp over the long haul.

It is not only about grinding mobs, bonus completion also earns you a nice amount of XP. So if your goal is getting XP skipping mobs/bonus makes no sense at all.

This is also true with the various flashpoints leading to a bonus boss. Take The False Emperor for instance, in order to get to the Sith Entity you need to complete a 3 stage bonus, each stage giving XP. At lvl 50 a full run of False Emperor can almost make you level up if you combine all the bonus we can get these days (rested XP, FP Legacy perks, CM boosts, double XP weekend, etc.)

Sounds about right but you still did not answer my question about the scenario in your OP.

"Great example - the leg of KDY where there are jail cells, and you can agro a lot of the room by knocking a mob off the top balcony. Too many people get all pissy over that, and yet, we just rounded the corner, and AOE's the masses with no trouble.at all, not to mention cutting the time down on completion."

If someone didn't want it pull that way because of bad experiences with that same pull and pulling it all resulting in multiple wipes, what would you do.

Would you suddenly becomes the complainer? WHY NOT DO IT MY WAY! IT'S FASTER!

Or would you be OK with a normal pull and be happy about it?




Either way, this is about as right as one can get. ^

I'm not talking about skipping bonus. I'm talking about groups that even long after they got enough mobs for bonus, go out of their way to eradicate every single trash mob in that instance. claiming XP!

in KDY there's only 1 scenario where you have to kill everything to get bonus and that's ship assembly. its also small and the only mob out of the way is a little droid down the corridor where your elevator will be (and I tend to just hop over and solo it quickly, in case group forgets about its existence)

and yes, I've done false emperor with all the bonuses and we still didn't have to kill everything that was in it. not even close. because there are more quest targets there than you need to complete it and time saved to do something else far outweighs measly experience you get from killing those groups on weak enemies you had to go out of your way to kill.

P.S. 10 minutes for 10k experience is awful. I can do several quests in that time for a lot higher xp gain

P.P.S. I hate HATE it when people pull that entire room, at least in leveling KDY. more often than not - we don't have all our abilities yet, I don't have most of my heals yet and they barely have AoE so they don't die faster - WE do. nothing annoys me more than people who do crap to make a ran stressful for me "for teh lols"

Exactly. An overly anal guy like that would do me a favor putting me on ignore. Just re-enforces my point; I mean, if he's willing to put on ignore someone who's completed just about all the operations on all difficulties because of a difference of opinion on how serious we should take our flashpoints, then I'd likely be the one better off.

As for the healers in my 2 experiences, one said nothing other than thanks for the run, the other was having a blast in Maelstrom and pleased how we kept things moving.

To clarify, its not like we NEVER stopped to self heal in between mob groupings. But we weren't doing it after every single bunch either.

I honestly wish I could have FRAPSed it so people could see how flashpoints could be run.

If you want to think that, then go for it. But the fact is that healers rarely get credit for what they do and often get the blame. I haven't got time for this kind of thing. I want to get in, do the thing and get out. Most people aren't doing flashpoints for the pleasure of it. We're doing it for comms or gear, which allow us to do other content we actually do enjoy.

Also, I wouldn't be ignoring you over a difference of opinion, so stop putting words in my mouth. I'm sure we disagree on many things. It's just on this particular issue, our difference of opinion directly affects my ability to do my job.

People continually complain about bad healers and yet a healer who takes their role seriously is called anal. At least I took the time to learn how to do my role properly, which enables you to do yours without fear of death.

I didn't put anything in your mouth. You're the one who stepped out on that ledge, buddy.

You said I wanted to ignore you because of a difference of opinion. I did not say that. Ergo, you did put words in my mouth.

Buddy.