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calphayus SM exploit


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Maldorans
07.16.2014 , 08:50 AM | #11
It's story mode ops, what's the big deal?

You also mentioned Pugs. Who don't use TS and have zero communication. This is an organised fight. So any tactic that aleviates it's difficulty when you have no in game communication client is all good by me.
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Loc_n_lol
07.16.2014 , 09:27 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Maldorans View Post
It's story mode ops, what's the big deal?

You also mentioned Pugs. Who don't use TS and have zero communication. This is an organised fight. So any tactic that aleviates it's difficulty when you have no in game communication client is all good by me.
Maybe they could make it so the blue light thingy doesnt appear if nobody went right side ? (meaning 80% chance of wipe)


Personally this glitch doesn't really annoy me. Yeah it's cheesing but what does it matter ? IT's not like it allows you to underman the rest of the fight. Everybody's still participating. Mr-Mass-Affliction's feelings were hurt because nobody showed up to kill him ? c'mon...

I'd rather they fix the "super-team" exploit on scum&villany oasis city infiltration. This one means up to 3/4 of the group have to fiddle their thumbs for nearly 10 minutes. Of course some people will not listen or get confused, so maybe instead of wiping the entire group if somebdy attacks something they're not supposed to, the story mode mechanics should only punish the offender. Good way to learn the hard way, imo.

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Maldorans
07.16.2014 , 09:37 AM | #13
But is it learning anything? HM is very different in that you can't just have a left and right side team and must switch.

The object of the orange right side in phase 1, on SM, is to survive. The easiest way to survive is to not be there. I don't see it as an exploit. I see it as a valid tactic for SM mode.

But it probably will be fixed. Although it's been there since the start of SM, people only just starting to see it pop up more often as people slowly learned it.
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bromotion
07.16.2014 , 09:44 AM | #14
EDIT: ^^^ - exactly
It's really unfair to call this an exploit at all. I'm sure that when Bioware developed the operation they understood that this strategy was a possibility. If they really wanted to make you split up, they would have included a mechanic that forced the group to split up (like in hardmode).

Calling something an exploit is basically calling something cheating, and I would not go so far as to say everyone going left is cheating. Everyone going left is the optimal strategy, so you can't really call people cheating for doing it.

I find it hard to believe that Bioware did not consider the option of everyone going left in SM, but I could be wrong, they have definitely missed things before.

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kojottt
07.16.2014 , 09:47 AM | #15
so with this logic, certain positioning on nefra (nim modes) wasnt exploit at all, it was just following imlemented mechanics

and if you want to survive ops dont do them

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bromotion
07.16.2014 , 09:58 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by kojottt View Post
so with this logic, certain positioning on nefra (nim modes) wasnt exploit at all, it was just following imlemented mechanics
No, because that was a bug with a mechanic that is already implemented. In this case there is just no mechanic at all.

IMO, an exploit is when users take advantage of a bug in the game. There is no bug in this case, at least from what I can tell.

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JouerTue
07.16.2014 , 10:49 AM | #17
sorry i should have entitled OMG nerf calphayus, nobody wants to go right anymoar..too much damage from adds before i kill the boss
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07.16.2014 , 11:20 AM | #18
Now I am not siding either way in this argument I just wanted to point out what a friend pointed out to me when we were discussing something similar. If you go back in the raiding forum and read, you will learn that in this game what we have defined as an exploit is something that allows you to "skip mechanics". So if you are skipping mechanics you are exploiting and if your not it's just cheesing to make something go faster, easier, whatever. Of course that is the definition as defined by the progression raiding community. Bioware may see it different. I kinda see it like it's story mode, so who knows man. It's different then say, the NiM Nefra exploit where you were really actively skipping mechanics and pretty much cheating. Then again maybe it's not so different. If ya say it's just story mode it's fine, ya get flamed for being a elitest pig cause you don't care about story mode. If you say it's cheating ya get called an elitiest pig cause you want everyone to do it the hard/right way. Which actually did happen to me when I contradicted the raid leader about his explanation of the fight. I had totally forgot about this thing and I wasn't trying to oust his authorita, but I got told that sorry we can't all be leet like you, this isn't hard mode. Really though, unless Tait chimes in, it's all a matter of choice
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Maldorans
07.16.2014 , 12:16 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by jrwellworth View Post
Now I am not siding either way in this argument I just wanted to point out what a friend pointed out to me when we were discussing something similar. If you go back in the raiding forum and read, you will learn that in this game what we have defined as an exploit is something that allows you to "skip mechanics". So if you are skipping mechanics you are exploiting and if your not it's just cheesing to make something go faster, easier, whatever. Of course that is the definition as defined by the progression raiding community. Bioware may see it different. I kinda see it like it's story mode, so who knows man. It's different then say, the NiM Nefra exploit where you were really actively skipping mechanics and pretty much cheating. Then again maybe it's not so different. If ya say it's just story mode it's fine, ya get flamed for being a elitest pig cause you don't care about story mode. If you say it's cheating ya get called an elitiest pig cause you want everyone to do it the hard/right way. Which actually did happen to me when I contradicted the raid leader about his explanation of the fight. I had totally forgot about this thing and I wasn't trying to oust his authorita, but I got told that sorry we can't all be leet like you, this isn't hard mode. Really though, unless Tait chimes in, it's all a matter of choice
If we go by that defention, then skipping trash is exploting and cheesing. Your are exploiting somethig to skip a mechanic.

I know this is not your personal defention and you obtained it from the communities sense of what it means.
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jrwellworth
07.16.2014 , 01:06 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Maldorans View Post
If we go by that defention, then skipping trash is exploting and cheesing. Your are exploiting somethig to skip a mechanic.

I know this is not your personal defention and you obtained it from the communities sense of what it means.
Yes, I could see this point, but I am of the opinion that our forebears were talking the actual boss fights, as adds and trash are not really mechanics. That of course is my opinion. I believe it pertains more to the mechanics that are required to defeat a boss, placed by the dev's as part of that fight. I will again use the Nefra exploit cause it's a perfect example. Instead of doing the tank swap and the turning of the boss to split the cleave at 15 stacks, someone just basically stood in an area where Nefra couldn't hit them and kept her attention while someone wailed on her and someone healed, while on 16 man. Thus getting two dread master implants and some dread touched gear. I think that can be looked upon as a classic exploit. Again, I am saying this from a neutral ground. I don't care if folks cheese stuff, a friend said to me: If people HAVE TO use that exploit to get their implants, they don't deserve them. While I kinda think that that is true, another friend said if you can clear something legit but find a way to do it faster after that, then why waste time. I guess it's all a matter of how you look at and feel about things in regards to raiding. Just some food for thought, as again I am not taking a stance on the issue. The only ones that can say for sure if that is either cheating or a convenient work around is bioware.
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