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Deewe
07.14.2014 , 10:26 AM | #1
Apart the world there are mostly 2 things the players keep looking at in this game:
  • The UI
  • Characters and companions

The first one being tricky since there's no UI mods let's start focusing on the first one the Toons™.

For now we have:
  1. Character customization kiosk
  2. Gear mods
  3. Gear dyes
  4. Unify colors
  5. Companions appearance kits
  6. Helmet toggle

A good list, still a bit lacking as the way they are implemented restricts a lot the possibilities or are cumbersome to use.


Character customization kiosk

Adding more options would be very much welcome especially as we keep staring at our characters during cut scene.
So how about:
  • More tattoos and body tattoos
  • Makeup + choose tattoos colors
  • More piercings + separate each so players can finely select which combination they want.
  • More scars types
  • More hair choices
  • Wrinkles!

Q&A from Vancouver Community Cantina
Quote: Originally Posted by Public
Q: Will we ever see more specific customization options? for some example I would like little things like moving my eye patch to the other eye, having a left-handed jedi (moving saber to other hand) obviously hood toggle comes up. little things like that add a lot for me.
Quote: Originally Posted by Mark Richards
A: Yep those are definitely things we would like to have in the game and are looking into doing. it’s just a question of how much work needs to go into it and if we feel it will benefit enough people as some of those things can even if it doesn’t seem that way on the surface, actually be quite technically challenging and require a lot of re working of models.

Gear mods && helmet toggle

[new] As per the Unnamed STWOR podcast it was mentioned during the NY cantina tour that the devs are working on separating gear look from stats. For 3.0 if possible (Shadow of Revan) or as soon as possible if not.

Gear mods aren't really convenient to use, from comparing mods to switching them especially considering the fast leveling process and the myriad of mods a player has to manage for his character + his companions (and alts)

It's more a UI thing, although switching gear and still being efficient is quite a job. Gear tabs could really make the system more friendly.

Then as a side effect, players will buy(grind for) more gear as willing to switch more often their character look.

To the same extend hiding specific slot pieces comes with using specific gear.
As such slot toggles would be very much welcome.

Ideally slots for shoulder and back would be implemented, at least for new gear and the most famous hood toggle.


Gear dyes && unify colors

For sure being able to sell gear dyes in the CM for around $20 is kind of crazy, especially since people can't even remove them once used.

Unlocking a color for a character or eventually for the legacy could really mitigate the issue here.

Then there's no consistency of how the dyes color applies on gear, ending with different shades depending on the object.

Also on too many gear pieces people can't dye important parts of the gear.

In the end people could use having the primary and secondary colors separated in two different slots and having a 3rd gear dyes for the area that aren't actually changed by the gear dyes.

Not much to say about unify color that it most of the time works well.


Companions appearance kits

Emmanuel Lusinchi himsleft said (before leaving) that they were not happy with companions kits and were looking forward something more like the character customization. (source)

Quote: Originally Posted by Public
Q: Any plans for customization of your companions?
Quote: Originally Posted by Emmanuel Lusinchi

A: Funny story, we planned to have customizations with your companions from the very beginning but the we changed our mind. Players then asked – why don’t you have customization? Yes, you are right. We are going to continue to introduce new skins for companions but it is not a great system – it is a ok system we introduced into the game very quickly (actually I implemented it so I can brag about it a little bit). We are working on a much better system but it is not the highest priority atm although it is very important. There is a cognitive dissonance when you have two sith warriors meet up with identical Vette.

Seems to me it's especially needed as too often people see twins of their companions running around.

Then, game play wise, why obliging player to be stuck with a specific companions as healer or thank whenever they don't like it at all? Not very fun at all.

Set companions skills apart their appearance in, why not, role kits!
Well in fact like it was in beta.


Question is: would any of the above make the game more appealing to you or are you comfortable with the current setup?

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Aries_cz
07.14.2014 , 11:10 AM | #2
More facial option would be appreciated, sure. I want those long flowing curls on my Miralian Huntress (and I wouldn't even mind to pay for them, even if I already have the Human Haristyles).
I would also welcome removal of Cyborg species and adding the option to have cybernetics on all characters (we already saw Chiss with cybernetics during BH event). Players who already have finished cyborg would get free unlock on cybernetics slider.
Body tattoos are apparently problematic because of how body models are written in the game code (basically, every character with body type X has the same body), so I feel that those are not needed, as rewriting it could prove very complicated.

Adding a "social" gear tab (I imagine it like the one used in Terraria) might not be a bad idea, assuming BW would find a way to keep the existing credit sink of mods removal/augmenting in (possibly a fee to unlock the social gear slot and to place items in it?}. This could be integrated with the slot toggles (or people could use the "invisible" armor we have now)
Slots for capes and shoulderpads seem like a lot of work to make sure there is not model collision, etc. Not needed, in my opinion.

Splitting dyes into Primary and Secondary slot is a thing I was hoping since the system was introduced. Also, if this was done, adding more dye slots to color those armor pieces that do use more than two color maps would be nice.
I am fine with dyes being one-time use, as it helps the crafters.

I feel that companions should not be freely modified, as the existing appearance kits still let them preserve some of their "personality". Maybe a severely limited modification, yes, but certainly not freeform like with player characters.
Return of the role kits would be an awesome thing, even though I might favor them being slightly limited to reflect companion's background. For some reason, I have hard time imagining Lord Scourge or Skadge healing me.
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Damask_Rose
07.14.2014 , 11:22 AM | #3
I"m an altoholic and, according to my husband, I spend a ridiculously long time choosing each character's appearance. I would buy every single new customization they came up with. I'm compulsive that way I would most like to see more faces and hair styles, some species need them far more than others though.

I would be giddy with joy if they implemented appearance tabs!

More companion customizations are badly needed. A kiosk like they have for characters would be the best, but if that's unworkable, just lots and lots more, especially for the romance options. LotRO did some community contests for horse trappings, and I think something like that would be fun for companions. Let the community design and vote on a few companion customizations a year!


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Anaesha
07.14.2014 , 11:34 AM | #4
The main things I want are more eye colors for each race minus the chiss, more skin colors, more tat options for the races that use them, and more hair options for all races.
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Gwena
07.14.2014 , 12:22 PM | #5
Great post, I agree.

New character customizations are something I really want. At this point, I'd actually be pretty happy just to have existing options available to more races. Y'know, like the newer "human only" hair. >.< I'd also like to see some of the Twi'lek/Mirialan/Human eye colors be shared. And I'd imagine that new color options in general (hair color, skin color, etc) would be easier than things that must be modeled, like hairstyles and faces.

And yes, Companion customization really could use improvement. New kits come out so slowly, and for some characters, they are distinctly lacking either in variety (Andronikos clearly has an aversion to hair), attractiveness (mutton chops, full face paint, and a mohawk is perfect for the romance option!) or quantity (Rusk customizations? Nah, no one likes him anyway). I'd also like to see one alternate combat role made available to each one, in accordance with their character. Bet we'd see a lot fewer Quinns and Tharans running around. xD

As for the dye system, it'd be great if they split it to allow use of both a primary and a secondary dye, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd be happy if they just released more dyes, but with colors that don't look like they belong in a Crayola 24-pack. I want the fancy colors that are from the 96-pack, dangit!
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Deewe
07.14.2014 , 01:43 PM | #6
Actually found the right event for the companion customization topic: MCM 2012 Expo SWTOR Panel, once again Dulfy nailed it

Quote: Originally Posted by Public
Q: Any plans for customization of your companions?
Quote: Originally Posted by EmmanuelLusinchi

A: Funny story, we planned to have customizations with your companions from the very beginning but the we changed our mind. Players then asked – why don’t you have customization? Yes, you are right. We are going to continue to introduce new skins for companions but it is not a great system – it is a ok system we introduced into the game very quickly (actually I implemented it so I can brag about it a little bit). We are working on a much better system but it is not the highest priority atm although it is very important. There is a cognitive dissonance when you have two sith warriors meet up with identical Vette.

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Callaron
07.14.2014 , 01:52 PM | #7
I would absolutely LOVE more customization options. Currently I find myself constantly reusing a handful of faces and hairstyles.
As for the tattoos, I agree it might not be worth it if it takes too much design time. They could probably work around that by making them "outfits" though. (similar to the relaxed vestments and other outfits that show a lot of skin).
Back when I still played Neverwinter Nights there were a few community mods that did the exact same thing, for example a chest "armor" that left your character bare chested except for twin dragon tattoos on your back and front.
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Anaesha
07.14.2014 , 01:59 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Deewe View Post
Actually found the right event for the companion customization topic: MCM 2012 Expo SWTOR Panel, once again Dulfy nailed it
they are right in a way it's messed up when you run into another warrior and they have the exact same Vette as you but then again it is also messed up when all male Warriors have the same voice which is why I wish they would have either had multiple voice options or had the voices set by race instead of class.
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Darth_Wicked
07.14.2014 , 01:59 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Deewe View Post
Question is: would any of the above make the game more appealing to you or are you comfortable with the current setup?
More than comfortable with the current setup.

I have like three LV55's characters for each class for the most part and I still haven't used ever single available customization for each companion.

The kind of stuff you talk about is not bar per se but I wouldn't find it exactly a priority, over some other basic stuff that we're not going to get for a serious while.

Again...

EACH COMPANION HAS LIKE THREE TO FOUR(!!!) DIFFERENT CUSTOMIZATIONS AVAILABLE.

You can't possibly tell me you've used them all already.

Quote: Originally Posted by Anaesha View Post
they are right in a way it's messed up when you run into another warrior in they have the exact same Vette as you but then again it is also messed up when all make Warriors have the same voice which is why I wish they would have either had multiple voice options or had the voices set by race instead of class.
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Callaron
07.14.2014 , 02:12 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post

EACH COMPANION HAS LIKE THREE TO FOUR(!!!) DIFFERENT CUSTOMIZATIONS AVAILABLE.
Some of them have way more than that. Especially if you add in the ones coming from packs, rep vendors and events.
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