OK this is getting rather silly regarding hard mode Flashpoint GF

I would go back to tanking if they did this.

There are bads in every class and spec.

Tanks are not immune from it either. We have a well-geared Sorc healer in our guild who has kicked two tanks from her HM and finished the run with Treek.

I've seen (yesterday) 54 Marauders w/ 14k health and low 40's gear (double exp + KDY kid)

I've had people QUEUE as (Sorc) heals but never bubble. (Dead giveaway) Or attempt to heal using only one or two abilities.

Guild consensus: Either we are getting VERY familiar with our respective classes OR the quality of play has gone down.

Amen! A tank in a recent group kept losing aggro. I checked their buffs, they weren't in tank stance. I asked them to switch to tank stance, and they said 'what's that'?!

lol

There are bad players in ever spec, you are right.
But solo playing as tank or healer is the same as group playing a tank or healer.
Solo playing DPS is different than group playing as DPS.

Most of the complaints tanks have made here are about DPS not working as a group because DPS just mesh buttons with their forehead and think its a win.

Everyone complaining about terrible experiences that stopped from using GF at all I'm just gonna state the obvious here. If the only common factor between all of your supposedly terrible experiences is YOU what does that suggest? Let's put our thinking caps on here.

/votekick DrewFromPhilly

Frustrated people who don't queue anymore?

It's the same mentality in WZs. Why should anybody subsidize (carry) bads who can't call out inc? So what happens? The frustrated player TRYING to do the right thing quits - leaving the bads to complete.

A simple mechanic to fix this is to make sure that no random WZ / FP "pop" includes people on your ignore list.

I'm yet to do a single pug run on my tank... he is reserved for guild runs only because of all the flack tanks get from pugs group always blaming them etc

means there are a LOT of really bad players out there.

If tanks can do HM ops and then go into a hm flashpoint and wipe due to others does that mean tank is bad?
I've had many good experiences on group finds, i've also had many BAD experiences as well. The bad ones don't justify the good ones anymore.

Guildies were trying to get a 16man SM ops going (had about 10 guildies and pugging a few DPS), had never done it before and was doing fine until bestia. Wiped first time followed by some pug DPS yelling "LEARN 2 TANK NOOB" I apologized to my guildies in guild chat and then swapped to my other char. Nobody even blinked an eye lash when I dropped. It just isn't worth the effort. Not saying we demand special treatment, just not to be treated like second class citizens when we perform what amounts to a service.

What a dumb thing to say...seriously.

This is not a matter of opinion. When some dps constantly breaks cc, that's first of all not my fault and it's not an opinion. It's what happens and these things happen a lot. There are some basics that a lot of people don't seem to know and even though there are bad tanks and healers too, the reality is that especially a lot of dps think that shooting or hacking at stuff is all they have to do. Noticing that doesn't make it that I'm the problem.

The people speaking here probably all have done ops with their tanks and for you to make a statement like this is just silly.