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An interesting thread over at Reddit about GSF......

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An interesting thread over at Reddit about GSF......

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MidichIorian
07.06.2014 , 02:54 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Jamus_Divinus View Post
I think it's a given that PvP is also for the few and so I wouldn't consider it 'the main game' either. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=750289

I welcome more and varied mini-games tbh.
The foundation is the same as the rest of the "core game". One can argue that the NiM'es only are catering to a very small percentage of players but they're justified through the SM'es and HM'es and do not require as much as a completely new game-mode would.

I think it's safe to assume that they don't have a staff of 200 game developers so every time they do something it's taking away from something els. Add to this that even if they had 200 content devs they probably wouldnt come out with updates that catered to all niches. Hence, I think it's better that they focus on the stuff that people originally expected in the game. Instead of being the best at one or two things they're trying to cover as much as possible at a much lower quality and quantity per niche.

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TheNahash
07.06.2014 , 03:20 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by MidichIorian View Post
Hence, I think it's better that they focus on the stuff that people originally expected in the game. Instead of being the best at one or two things they're trying to cover as much as possible at a much lower quality and quantity per niche.
Exactly.
And to take it one step further, GSF and Strongholds both fall under this category of things that are just being done to cover as much as possible at a much lower quality AND they are both things that could be greatly "milked", for lack of a better word, through the Cartel Market.

They can't sell things through the CM that would have any effect whatsoever in PVP or PVE. They said they would never sell endgame gear sets on the CM and so far they've kept their promise.
BUT
they can sell you a bunch of vanity items (like paints for spaceships and beams or pretty things to decorate your house with) for GSF and GSH.

So, in a nutshell, a new Operation, a new WZ map or a new FP would not be nearly as profitable as a new type of mini-game that heavily relies on using items from the CM.

It seems like they are focused on creating content that promotes the CM as much as possible.

Not that I find it unethical or that I don't get why they're doing it, but still... it doesn't look good for people who are waiting for things to do instead of just pretty things to buy.
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MaximusRex
07.06.2014 , 03:53 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]2) Poor tutorial
There was a practice area that let you get a feel for the flight controls. This was adequate for those gamers that don't need to have their hand held on every single little aspect of a game.
It gave you a chance to put fingers to keyboard and see if you needed to remap any of the keys. And, if you paid no attention to the task at hand a chance to practice some flight maneuvers.
The Tutorial doesn't even teach you about all the keybinds. You need to look in the keybind editor and the way some are labeled its not even intuitive to figure out what they are. The idea that teaching players what the buttons are, and what they do, is handholding, is pretty insulting. That is exactly the point of a tutorial.

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Infernixx
07.06.2014 , 03:56 PM | #74
This whole thing is a big pile of conjecture, assumption, presumption and downright bias projection about GSF.

No one here knows the slightest bit about how popular or unpopular the feature is. No one here has the slightest idea because no one here has the access to the data that the developers have.

But, by all means, continue to let us know how unpopular GSF is because you don't like it.
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Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
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MiaRB
07.06.2014 , 04:14 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
This whole thing is a big pile of conjecture, assumption, presumption and downright bias projection about GSF.

No one here knows the slightest bit about how popular or unpopular the feature is. No one here has the slightest idea because no one here has the access to the data that the developers have.

But, by all means, continue to let us know how unpopular GSF is because you don't like it.
^this x1000!!
can't wait for this game to come out!

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LordArtemis
07.06.2014 , 04:17 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
This whole thing is a big pile of conjecture, assumption, presumption and downright bias projection about GSF.

No one here knows the slightest bit about how popular or unpopular the feature is. No one here has the slightest idea because no one here has the access to the data that the developers have.

But, by all means, continue to let us know how unpopular GSF is because you don't like it.
Quote:
I don't know the metrics...I assume very few if any outside of Bioware do, but I would assume (and that is all it is) the lack of interest surprised Bioware, and the feature did not meet expectations with respect to player retention or interest overall.

I base that on some clues given in public statements, I made a list of those statements in the past, I will try and find them again.

Here are the mistakes I think they made with GSF...and this is just my view.

Someone already beat you to it Infernixx. I wonder some times why you are so threatened by opinions......

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Infernixx
07.06.2014 , 04:38 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Someone already beat you to it Infernixx. I wonder some times why you are so threatened by opinions......
I'm annoyed by 'terrible' opinions. Uneducated, biased, prejudiced opinions that are full of ignorance bug me. A wise man once said that a reverence for ignorance is threaded through American discourse, that the idea that one man's ignorance is just as valid and worthy of consideration as another man's educated and informed opinion.

Well, no. No, it's not. Opinions are awesome and equally valid to the bearer of each opinion, but they are not all equal.
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.

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TheRandomno
07.06.2014 , 04:55 PM | #78
0 damage...

I get some help from my guildie.

0 damage...

I'm told to shoot past the target or something.

0 damage...

I use the tutorial.

0 damage.

So much for 100 MVPs across my legacy or something.

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ValeGreiger
07.06.2014 , 05:03 PM | #79
My problem with GSF is that your ships are not legacy wide. I have about 5 ships, all of them nearly complete with their parts on my operative. It took me a realllly long time to build those ships but at least I can finally go toe-to-toe with most players who have upgraded ships as well. Seeing as one of this game's features is that it encourages you to play with other alts, you'd think you'd be able to use your built ships.

Nope. Start over from the beginning with a base fighter and scout. Why would I punish myself by queuing for it in a new alt when I personally know I have better on my operative? At least in pvp warzones, you get bolstered so you can still enjoy a somewhat relative competitive field.

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TUXs
07.06.2014 , 06:16 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
This whole thing is a big pile of conjecture, assumption, presumption and downright bias projection about GSF.

No one here knows the slightest bit about how popular or unpopular the feature is. No one here has the slightest idea because no one here has the access to the data that the developers have.

But, by all means, continue to let us know how unpopular GSF is because you don't like it.
Right, because none of us sits in a queue for hours on end waiting for a queue to pop...or asks if any queues are popping for anyone in the /pilot channel. Of course if you DON'T do any of those things, you wouldn't have any real clue...but if you DO do those things, you have a good idea.
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