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WTH Embargoing the Star Cluster pack in 2.8.1???

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WTH Embargoing the Star Cluster pack in 2.8.1???
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Prototypemind
06.22.2014 , 02:45 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
I don't see how this is an insult. The thing is that for CM Packs to stay interesting, there has to be a reason for people to buy them. There is nothing complicated about it. The balance has to be struck then between availability and rareness. I personally think that CM Packs in the past have been available too long causing stuff to be to cheap. I think the average amount of CM packs bought per active player has gone up. It may be my perception but there are people buying them by the crates and it seems more than ever.

So now this pack will be available for a relatively short time but already there was tons of stuff on the GTN from this pack. If anything it proves to me that there is an issue with rarity (especially sets where most items are flooding the GTN but the helm and chest piece are extremely rare) and not an issue with there not being enough packs bought to flood the market in game.

I bought the packs I am going to buy and I want the new ones coming out. So why do others need these particular packs to be available for months to come? There is no reputation linked to these packs, so it's either buy some of it or don't. Chances are they'll come back at a later stage when there is a drought. Previous packs have been brought out again as well, even at reduced prices.

But understand if rarity goes down because too many packs of a kind are sold, it brings down gtn prices too much so a number of people will lose interest in buying them.
There are tons of lower pieces and gloves, belts, boots, bracers. The chests and helms have dropped at a disproportionate rate compared to the rest, and at a far lower rate than is the norm in packs. They admitted that they were "trying something new" out in regards to both drop rates and CC unlock costs. Emote normal cost: 60 for standard, 240 for the more "desirable" ones; this pack 600 CCs. They admitted that they were testing the waters, and have no plans to made adjustments. They of course admitted none of this before putting the pack on sale. It shows what they think of those who spend money on the CM as a whole.

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ZETA_SCORPII
06.22.2014 , 02:47 AM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by Preston_Violent View Post
Eric said "With the Star Cluster pack, we were trying out some new things". New things.
Thing # 1: drop rate has never been "normal" like this, everyone has noticed it but EA deny it. So we're all foolishly mistaken and they're correct? Right...
Thing # 2: meet the suddenly ridiculously high unlock prices.

Summary: subs that buy cartel crap do not buy enough. Gotta try to trick them into buying more by adjusting drop rates of different pieces of the same set and then having them rubbing their eyes at unlock prices. So what BW is too lazy to stuff packs with 100% newly-designed, never-before-seen in the game things? So what they haven't done a lot lately to deserve any other support but monthly subscription? So freaking what?

Too bad there are people who appear to be way too cool with this state of things, seeing no issues here. Are you really blind or just pretending?

And allow me to remind you this is not the 1st experiment of this sort. Some while ago they already tried something similar by making almost every 2nd item of a pack super rare drop. Back then they pretty much got away with it. This time, doesn't seem so. This "trying out some new things" hopefully will prove to BW that, what a surprise, but SW fans' loyalty does have limits.
So the subs run Bioware/EA? No. They are a business and can run it however they see fit. They listen to our feedback and have made changes accordingly. There is no need to QQ over a business that needs to show decent profits in order to keep a game going.

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ZETA_SCORPII
06.22.2014 , 02:56 AM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
I don't see how this is an insult. The thing is that for CM Packs to stay interesting, there has to be a reason for people to buy them. There is nothing complicated about it. The balance has to be struck then between availability and rareness. I personally think that CM Packs in the past have been available too long causing stuff to be to cheap. I think the average amount of CM packs bought per active player has gone up. It may be my perception but there are people buying them by the crates and it seems more than ever.

So now this pack will be available for a relatively short time but already there was tons of stuff on the GTN from this pack. If anything it proves to me that there is an issue with rarity (especially sets where most items are flooding the GTN but the helm and chest piece are extremely rare) and not an issue with there not being enough packs bought to flood the market in game.

I bought the packs I am going to buy and I want the new ones coming out. So why do others need these particular packs to be available for months to come? There is no reputation linked to these packs, so it's either buy some of it or don't. Chances are they'll come back at a later stage when there is a drought. Previous packs have been brought out again as well, even at reduced prices.

But understand if rarity goes down because too many packs of a kind are sold, it brings down gtn prices too much so a number of people will lose interest in buying them.
Couldn't agree more. There needs to be rare items in this game like Revan's gear.

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LordArtemis
06.22.2014 , 06:33 AM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by ZETA_SCORPII View Post
So the subs run Bioware/EA? No. They are a business and can run it however they see fit. They listen to our feedback and have made changes accordingly. There is no need to QQ over a business that needs to show decent profits in order to keep a game going.
Since it is not a QQ to mention that it was not wise to refrain from informing players about the pack details beforehand IMO, then I guess the idea that folks are doing that is fine.

IMO this was a silly mistake on the devs part. Obviously some folks did not react well to the lack of info, and I think that is justified. Bioware should have known better.

Just my slant.

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Preston_Violent
06.22.2014 , 11:08 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by ZETA_SCORPII View Post
So the subs run Bioware/EA? No. They are a business and can run it however they see fit. They listen to our feedback and have made changes accordingly. There is no need to QQ over a business that needs to show decent profits in order to keep a game going.
There is a very huge disbalance between how much BW/EA tends to give subs in swtor and how much they want to receive. It's been said many times how little they've given pve-ers lately and pvp-ers have got even less than that. And at the same time BW/EA is more than accurate to add reskins for sale. That it is how it's been. But when greed overwhelms them and they start seeking new ways of getting more (forgetting, however, to give more first) that it what causes outcries like this.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZETA_SCORPII View Post
... a business that needs to show decent profits in order to keep a game going.
That is exactly the problem. This business needs to show decent profits but it regularly forgets to show its customers decent new (in-game) products.

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ZETA_SCORPII
06.22.2014 , 12:13 PM | #176
We can preview the packs before we buy them. Everyone and their dog knows it's a gamble when you choose to open a pack. Duh.
For you Brainy Smurf nerds out there it's like this: You go to the grocery store on Saturday to buy some Lucky Charms. The next Saturday you go back to buy them again and the price went up .50.Welcome to the ever changing REAL world. Companies don't live in a fantasy world and they provide us a service. No one is entitled to anything and if you feel mistreated as a sub cause you choose to only participate in a small portion of what the game offers then tough luck.
Get it? It's common sense in my book but I know it's pointless to argue with Brainy Smurfs. Have fun all.

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Preston_Violent
06.22.2014 , 01:00 PM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by ZETA_SCORPII View Post
We can preview the packs before we buy them. Everyone and their dog knows it's a gamble when you choose to open a pack. Duh.
For you Brainy Smurf nerds out there it's like this: You go to the grocery store on Saturday to buy some Lucky Charms. The next Saturday you go back to buy them again and the price went up .50.Welcome to the ever changing REAL world. Companies don't live in a fantasy world and they provide us a service. No one is entitled to anything and if you feel mistreated as a sub cause you choose to only participate in a small portion of what the game offers then tough luck.
Get it? It's common sense in my book but I know it's pointless to argue with Brainy Smurfs. Have fun all.
Well, Brain Smurf, in case you haven't noticed (and you clearly haven't) reskins and new-old pack content is not the main issue here. It's drop rates of set pieces and unlock prices, claimed "intended and working correctly" by EA. People can "preview" unlock price and doing so obviously allows to save cc but no one could preview the tweaked / adjusted / messed up with drop rates. Not the whole gosh darn rare set, like the revan's one, but pieces of the same set.
Sky-high unlock prices and set pieces drop rate were all then called working as intended and part of "trying out some new things".

New things? How ironic. How about freaking new content, including really new cartel packs content. Not freaking new way of attempting to make people spend more. That is what I call an insult and slap in the face of subs who support the game with their money. And EA / BW is in no position to conduct this prices/drop rates BS tricks in light of giving barely anything first.

P.S. Good point about real changing world. If 2.8. had anything decent to offer apart from its name, that would be a nice change for starters. So far the only thing that seems to change is drop rates and prices. And all possible sorts of bugs. Meaningful content-wise nothing has changed for months and months.

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Tsillah
06.22.2014 , 02:57 PM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by Prototypemind View Post
There are tons of lower pieces and gloves, belts, boots, bracers. The chests and helms have dropped at a disproportionate rate compared to the rest, and at a far lower rate than is the norm in packs. They admitted that they were "trying something new" out in regards to both drop rates and CC unlock costs. Emote normal cost: 60 for standard, 240 for the more "desirable" ones; this pack 600 CCs. They admitted that they were testing the waters, and have no plans to made adjustments. They of course admitted none of this before putting the pack on sale. It shows what they think of those who spend money on the CM as a whole.
The disproportionate rarity is something I already addressed in this thread and I agree with that point. I don't like that part either.

Of course they are not going to adjust the rates for this pack because that would kill the effect of the test. I am not saying they aren't trying to make money, of course they are, but the thing about a test is that it will have certain results. It does mean if certain things don't work well they will change them afterwards but announcing the test beforehand would also affect the test. There is no set of rules on how CM items are handled, so people shouldn't act like there are rules that BW has to follow.

The reason for testing is normally that something is not working out or they think something needs to work better. Other than the odd rarity division within a set, I have no issues. CC costs are what they are. There is a set I collected and I haven't unlocked it with CC because it wasn't worth the CC cost to me. So that's what they'll see also in their numbers afterwards.

I can understand some people being upset about this new way of handling a cartel pack but at the same time I don't see it as an insult. I bought no more packs than before and I got out of it what I wanted. I actually bought less packs than on previous ones and because I know it will go away soon I am not going to buy more because I am already looking at the next set. This is the consequence.

I just look ahead at the items I want and make sure I do what it takes to get those items. I haven't spent massive amounts on this but a mix of buying some packs and watching the gtn gave me what I wanted. The rest I don't really care about. What I will say though is that a lot of so called rare items are sitting on the gtn for prices under 10K. That's a problem for me and this could solve at least that issue.
Ultimately I am a much more reasonable person when people reply to what I actually wrote instead of what they decided I meant with it

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Andryah
06.22.2014 , 03:47 PM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by ZETA_SCORPII View Post
There needs to be rare items in this game like Revan's gear.
Absolutely. Nobody sensible is against some items being more rare then others.

But that does not mean they can suddenly make the lower armor box 10X more common then Upper and Supplementary and expect it to be good for players OR the game. It's not. It creates much needless (and useless) clutter on the GTN for the Lower boxes and their contents. It creates feelings if distrust in the player base, and rightfully so.

It also does not mean they can suddenly jack up unlock costs by 5x on sets or items, with ZERO acknowledgement and not get pushback about it. Doing this on top of the very wide variation in drop rates for items within a set just compounds the feelings of being scammed.

The fact that their solution is to pull the pack at 2.8.1 just further digs a hole for them on this.

Regardless how you look at this issue..... they made large changes here and gave no advance notice, nor even any post patch notice. In fact, for the first week after it was reported and we asked for clarification, they responded and treated the bug report posts as though it was a bug they were looking into.

I realize that they probably picked the least painful path to remedy (withdrawing the pack early), and it is their game and their choice to make. But to pretend that they did not %$^ this up is just silly IMO.

And they are human, so yeah, they will make mistakes. The bigger aspect of making a mistake is how you remedy it. They have done a horrible job on this one as far as I am concerned (and it does not even impact me personally), and have dug themselves a large credibility hole with players (not the perpetual anti-SWTOR crowd....but the broader player base).
sayonara SWTOR. I will miss the game, I will miss many players, I will NOT miss being lied to and deceived. I will not miss rookie level mistakes of epic proportions.

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ZETA_SCORPII
06.22.2014 , 07:19 PM | #180
Where is the proof that the item drop rate is jacked? I know the legacy unlock prices have changed but where is the proof that we have been wronged as far as RNG goes? Where? Prove it, until then you are all a bunch of pitchfork hillbillies on a which hunt.