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Character 'Stark' (Class mission The Euphony) = unbeatable

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Character 'Stark' (Class mission The Euphony) = unbeatable

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EurythmyX
06.12.2014 , 07:36 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Nazdika View Post
No offence meant, and sorry to be somewhat blunt. I think you are fooling yourself with such thinking. The JK has some tough enemies in the class story, that is definitely true. And the Stark guy is tough as well. But totally not unbeatable, and totally not programmed to be so. I and many of my friends would have seen variations in the fights if your theory was true. Instead we saw variations in our fighting, and guess what, made it past those enemies.

I suggest either bring some friends, as someone else said, or take movies of the fights and analyze them, ideally again with friends. Since you seem to miss abilities of your opponent like when he is healing himself.

If there is a bug, the friends might help identify it. Bugs are of course always possible. I find it kinda interesting though that the bugs in all the class stories happen to the same person in front of the keyboard. But who knows.
Hi,

Don't you think it to be a little bit odd to having 'to call in friends' for beating some class mission charcater? We are talking about 'CLASS MISSIONS' here...not 'HEROICS MISSION'. (..I used the capitals here because I noticed you failed to realy see my previous analyses/comments on the 'STARK ADVENTURE', so maybe this helps? lol

If you wojuld have seen my earlier messages than you would have noticed that I earlier on planets beated opponents with 50K HP and far stronger stats than Stark. Those were far more difficult opponents than Stark OUGHT TO BE with his low stats against a Jedi Sage level 47 geared up to the max with equipment?!. (...again the capitals.....its for a reason...you guessed right!...lol). So, simple question: how can I beat opponents far more difficult than Stark. Must say those other oponenets were realy a challange...some took me 6 times to figure out the right tactics...but I won in the end 'since those were certainly not FIXED OUTCOME FIGHTS' as Stark is.

Last question I have for you: how come I played SWTOR for months now on an average of say 3 hours per day with great enjoyment...whilst I now not even do not want to logg in anymore...due to those very negative effects that Stark char with his fixed fights placed on me. Today I do not even want to logg in out of pure frustration. I expect it will take days for me to get rid of that very negative taste that fixed outcome fight-player char Stark brought on me: in short: that Stark realy drained all my enthousiasm, enjoyment, fun away to the bone! This is no joke, this is realy true. It will take me many days before I will even logg in again. That is how your insane 'fixed-outcome-IT-programmer' did with my fun.: he drained it all away. And now I meet some person as you telling me that I am supposed to be 'too dumb' to win a 'fixed outcome game'. There are many pleasant people on the MMORPG-games...but too often you meet also unpleasant people. To avoid unpleasant people I want to be able to play solo for say 75% of the time....and fill the other 25% of the time in joint fights with others (...risking meeting unpleasant people...well, I could block them).

Anyway, thank you for your kind & constructive input by telling me that 'I am most probably too dumb to play this game'. Thank you.

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Magi-Ster
06.12.2014 , 07:47 PM | #12
Hi,
I did my sage storyline very long time ago, but I don't remember any serious troubles anywhere in the process. General rule for any losses in class quests for several times in a row is "You are probably doing something wrong". And while bringing friends with you can help you pass these quests, it won't give you any experience or knowledge to avoid further problems, so I'd suggest you try to beat this on your own.
Since I don't remember the boss, I won't say anything about tactics and interrupts, but that has already been covered by other replies here. What I can say is "check your gear". Look for yourself:
Quote: Originally Posted by EurythmyX View Post
damage pri 374 / Bonus damage 60 / Accuracy 90,93% / critical 15,42 / Crit. mult. 52,09%
You keep stating that you do some serious damage, but it seems not to be true. I checked my lvl46 toons and they have primary damage in 500-600 range, 200 of which is bonus damage, while also having 5-10% more accuracy, crit chance and crit multiplier. My lvl 46 assassin also has a bit more armor, so I suggest you take a close look at what you are wearing: an average item/modification rating for blue level 47 gear is, iirc, 112. That's what you should aim for at least in your mainhand hilt. All other your gear should 1) not be green 2) not be more than 4-6 lvls lower, unless it's purple (that roughly stands for rating above 100-104) 3) not contain too much tank stats - defence, shield and absorb ratings. The same is true for companions. From your stats I'd say that you have an outdated mainhand weapon and some lack of dps secondary stats. Try looking into it as well as into the tactics for both the boss's skills and your own. Also, if possible, post the results of your gear investigation, I'm curious if my thoughts about your gear are correct.

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EurythmyX
06.12.2014 , 08:37 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Magi-Ster View Post
Hi,
I did my sage storyline very long time ago, but I don't remember any serious troubles anywhere in the process. General rule for any losses in class quests for several times in a row is "You are probably doing something wrong". And while bringing friends with you can help you pass these quests, it won't give you any experience or knowledge to avoid further problems, so I'd suggest you try to beat this on your own.
Since I don't remember the boss, I won't say anything about tactics and interrupts, but that has already been covered by other replies here. What I can say is "check your gear". Look for yourself:

You keep stating that you do some serious damage, but it seems not to be true. I checked my lvl46 toons and they have primary damage in 500-600 range, 200 of which is bonus damage, while also having 5-10% more accuracy, crit chance and crit multiplier. My lvl 46 assassin also has a bit more armor, so I suggest you take a close look at what you are wearing: an average item/modification rating for blue level 47 gear is, iirc, 112. That's what you should aim for at least in

your mainhand hilt. All other your gear should 1) not be green 2) not be more than 4-6 lvls lower, unless it's purple (that roughly stands for rating above 100-104) 3) not contain too much tank stats - defence, shield and absorb ratings. The same is true for companions. From your stats I'd say that you have an outdated mainhand weapon and some lack of dps secondary stats. Try looking into it as well as into the tactics for both the boss's skills and your own. Also, if possible, post the results of your gear investigation, I'm curious if my thoughts about your gear are correct.
Hi,

Thanks for your constructive comment, indeed. However, you keep mentioning 'the mainhand weapon' which is the lightsaber: trust me, the lightsaber is not the one doing the high dps my Sage produces. In fact a Sage does almost never realy uses the lightsaber for placing the high -dps. So, you mentioned the light-saber stats...which are my lowest. The massive DPS which I produce with mind crush & telekinetics are not even mentioned, but those are a general asset of the Jedi Sage. I even preferred to choose the kinetics-dps-skill-tree to make the telekinetics dps even far higher. So, you are mistaken: the mainhand (lightsaber) is not realy of any big interest for the Jedi Sage at all. Though I equiped it with the highest & best crystal there is (purchased from the market, rating 146 crystal orange-red crystal) I only use the lightsaber sometimes for 'the finishing off'. The real fight the Sage uses far higher telekinetics & mind crushing dps etc.

That Stark = level 42...has even low stats. That char should not even be challenging for my very powerfull high dps Sage. But...if you have read my earlier messages: I face either a bug (which I do not think) or the fights against against stark are 'fixed-programmed fights'. The latter I am convinced is the truth: fixed fight. And what does this mean? It means two things: first remind yourself that you at least have to fight that Stark 49 times (with fixed lost outcome) before you receive you FAIR fight giving you some rough 50% chance to win it. And if you loose that 50%-chance-fair fight, well, then you better get ready for the next 50 fights you have to do with Stark to get another 50%-chnce -fight to beat him.

But then again: if you are very lucky you get your 50%-fair-fight within the first 3 fights & you win it (...& place your fight proudly on YT ..lol).

So, in short: due to that fixed-fight-mechanism I am facing up to a next 50 fights with Stark of which I will loose 49 fights for sure/fixed...as explained). And that mechanism is not what I like: as far as the class missions are concerned I allways thought those were supposed to be fair-chance-fights...but this it not the case with the chars the players will meet when reaching Belsavis.

As to equipment: I allways purchase the best equipment from the markets (& cartel market)...takes some credits or cartels but those will benefit one on the planets. I usually upgrade after 3 or 4 levels (besides the mods I win along the way). So, no big deal that some of the equipment = level 45/46 while having reached level 47 already.

What does count however is: my high level 47 against that 'supposed-to-be-diffult-low-char-Stark-with-level-42-only(!) We are talking a big difference (unintended overlevelled by me...because I first did the Hoth-missions, all...since I liked them a lot). So, that obviously shows the real story and proof that the - Stark-fights contain some programmed mechanism as I described earlier. This is very clear & vey obvious especially when I can compare my level 47 Sage + companion also level 47 fcaus (very well equiped) with just some level 42. For me (and many other intelligent people reading this) this shows beyond any doubt the existance of the 'programmed-Stark-fight-oytcome-mechanism". Trust me: I i would have level 55 Sage Kinetics then I still would be loosing those fights! all clear.

I realy valued your sincere comment, indeed. But try to see the big-picture here and do not point out to me that my Sage lightsaber produces lesser dps than those of Assassins, Sentinels, Marauders or Guardians.

(...and beware of 'Nazdika' not placing you in the same 'box' as she just did (see above) with me: for her I am just "catagory player too dumb to understand & play the game")

thks for your kind comment.

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Nazdika
06.12.2014 , 08:40 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by EurythmyX View Post
Hi,

Don't you think it to be a little bit odd to having 'to call in friends' for beating some class mission charcater?
You do not have to, in my opinion at least. Stark is beatable solo. But if one wants to get past a certain point to keep having fun, why not asking a friend to come along. I help people all the time with class stories, and also have asked friends to come along for various reasons. On other fights though, not the Stark one.
Quote: Originally Posted by EurythmyX View Post
Those were far more difficult opponents than Stark OUGHT TO BE with his low stats against a Jedi Sage level 47 geared up to the max with equipment?!. (...again the capitals.....its for a reason...you guessed right!...lol). So, simple question: how can I beat opponents far more difficult than Stark. Must say those other oponenets were realy a challange...some took me 6 times to figure out the right tactics...but I won in the end 'since those were certainly not FIXED OUTCOME FIGHTS' as Stark is.
Well. It is your theory that Stark is a fixed outcome fight. I do not know what you count as stronger enemy. Enemies have different abilities one needs to adjust to. An enemy who can heal himself for example is always tricky since one totally needs to interrupt the self heal. He can have a tenth of health of another enemy, and still be stronger. Since he heals himself.
Quote: Originally Posted by EurythmyX View Post
Last question I have for you: how come I played SWTOR for months now on an average of say 3 hours per day with great enjoyment...whilst I now not even do not want to logg in anymore...due to those very negative effects that Stark char with his fixed fights placed on me. Today I do not even want to logg in out of pure frustration. I expect it will take days for me to get rid of that very negative taste that fixed outcome fight-player char Stark brought on me: in short: that Stark realy drained all my enthousiasm, enjoyment, fun away to the bone! This is no joke, this is realy true.
I absolutely believe you. That is why I thought bringing friends might be a good thing. So you could get past that stupid Stark guy and keep having fun. In my very uneducated and stupid opinion a lot in life is about finding what is fun to oneself and doing just that. However BW designed Stark.
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That is how your insane 'fixed-outcome-IT-programmer' did with my fun.: he drained it all away. And now I meet some person as you telling me that I am supposed to be 'too dumb' to win a 'fixed outcome game'. There are many pleasant people on the MMORPG-games...but too often you meet also unpleasant people. To avoid unpleasant people I want to be able to play solo for say 75% of the time....and fill the other 25% of the time in joint fights with others (...risking meeting unpleasant people...well, I could block them).

Anyway, thank you for your kind & constructive input by telling me that 'I am most probably too dumb to play this game'. Thank you.
It is not my programer and that is not what I said. And also not what I meant. Everyone misses things in the heat of the battle. Top players often make movies and analyze them. I am not a top player by a far shot btw. But from a tough fight, why not make a movie and try to look for the things I missed in the heat of the battle. And with this I am out of this thread. Good luck to you!

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DomiSotto
06.12.2014 , 09:04 PM | #15
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So, I produce very heavy DPS with my kinetic Sage. As I explained on different planets my Sage took out oppionenets (Chiefs as I recall & a General) both having approx 50 K hitpoints. Took a while, most times I lost first time, but then adjusted my attacks & beted them. Was real good entertainment.
Did you hide away from Stark once he started casting his high damage spells like Turbulence? Lure him out in the bigger room, where you had a better freedom of motion? Did you use Heroic Moment, had adrenals, medpacks, relics? Can the companion you are using as a meatshield withstand a loot of damage and is geared for power/defense/absorb.

That's what I would have tried if I decided to go on solo and read up some on Internet on Stark and his abilities. Yes, his casting beats anything the player can do if you set them one on one. Yes, Sage is not the strongest or the easiest to play class. And, unfortunately, the Class story for a COnsular has to provide stimulating fights for a Healer, DPS and a Tank all in one. So, on one hand you probably have a Shadow Sage yawning through most of the class quest, and the healer pulling hair, particularly a healer who like me is used to a permanent group role, not a solo survival. I am actually afraid of playing Sorcerer solo because I do not think I am proficient enough to win solo fights of a similar difficulty. Even if I have Khem geared up better than the PC, similar to my treatment of Riggs on a Smuggler.

Finally, seeing you enjoy playing a MMO, why are you opposed taking someone else along? So, it's a class mission. But the game is conceived as a group based game, so it is not against any rules to get a hand. Adding another player turns this fight into a low level mob squash.

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JacksonMo
06.12.2014 , 09:48 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by DomiSotto View Post
Did you hide away from Stark once he started casting his high damage spells like Turbulence? Lure him out in the bigger room, where you had a better freedom of motion? Did you use Heroic Moment, had adrenals, medpacks, relics? Can the companion you are using as a meatshield withstand a loot of damage and is geared for power/defense/absorb.

That's what I would have tried if I decided to go on solo and read up some on Internet on Stark and his abilities. Yes, his casting beats anything the player can do if you set them one on one. Yes, Sage is not the strongest or the easiest to play class. And, unfortunately, the Class story for a COnsular has to provide stimulating fights for a Healer, DPS and a Tank all in one. So, on one hand you probably have a Shadow Sage yawning through most of the class quest, and the healer pulling hair, particularly a healer who like me is used to a permanent group role, not a solo survival. I am actually afraid of playing Sorcerer solo because I do not think I am proficient enough to win solo fights of a similar difficulty. Even if I have Khem geared up better than the PC, similar to my treatment of Riggs on a Smuggler.

Finally, seeing you enjoy playing a MMO, why are you opposed taking someone else along? So, it's a class mission. But the game is conceived as a group based game, so it is not against any rules to get a hand. Adding another player turns this fight into a low level mob squash.
And this is where being in a good guild becomes invaluable. What? up-coming sage healer needs help with a boss fight? Lemme-at-em!
He's not unbeatable. I wouldn't have gotten past him if he was.
Gear Nadia up. She's an amazing DPS companion.
If all else fails, come back in a level or so and have another run at him.

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spudik
06.13.2014 , 01:02 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by EurythmyX View Post
Hi,

Thanks for your constructive comment, indeed. However, you keep mentioning 'the mainhand weapon' which is the lightsaber: trust me, the lightsaber is not the one doing the high dps my Sage produces. In fact a Sage does almost never realy uses the lightsaber for placing the high -dps. So, you mentioned the light-saber stats...which are my lowest. The massive DPS which I produce with mind crush & telekinetics are not even mentioned, but those are a general asset of the Jedi Sage. I even preferred to choose the kinetics-dps-skill-tree to make the telekinetics dps even far higher. So, you are mistaken: the mainhand (lightsaber) is not realy of any big interest for the Jedi Sage at all. Though I equiped it with the highest & best crystal there is (purchased from the market, rating 146 crystal orange-red crystal) I only use the lightsaber sometimes for 'the finishing off'. The real fight the Sage uses far higher telekinetics & mind crushing dps etc.

I realy valued your sincere comment, indeed. But try to see the big-picture here and do not point out to me that my Sage lightsaber produces lesser dps than those of Assassins, Sentinels, Marauders or Guardians.

(...and beware of 'Nazdika' not placing you in the same 'box' as she just did (see above) with me: for her I am just "catagory player too dumb to understand & play the game")

thks for your kind comment.
Hi, sorry I wasn't able to reply sooner. Looking at ur stats u are clearly doing something wrong. First of all Sages LIGHTSABER is important to him as any other char. Yes u don't swing with it but all of the stats from it Damage, Force Power, Power etc. contribute massively to all of your abbilities. Force power most of all contributes to ur bonus damage... So having Hilt for lets say lvl 28 dumps ur damage on TK Wave by 1-2k, not speaking of other spells. Lightsaber is vital part of Jedi, even if u just hold it in hand. Try to get hilt like this for example Resolve Hilt 21

Also having 52% Critical multiplier tells me u have next to no Surge on your gear thats wrong. 15% chance for crit means very little crit rating which is also wrong, not so much though because high crit rating is also bad. And I can only guess how much power u have...

Willpower seems alright but thats about it. So once again we are at gear issue and even if you think u produce massive DPS, with stats like this u CAN'T be doing that. What mods are u using? What specific stats do u have on each piece of gear?
As a DPS your stat priority should be Willpower>Power>Surge>Crit. rating and really a tiny bit of Alactricity (as u have a click relic thats just about what u need + Mental Alactricity) I have TK sage my self and I have 0 Alactricity on my gear, using only MA

For Iresso u want his gear look like Endurance>Aim>Defense rating>Shield rating>Absorb rating
For Tharan Cunning>Power>Surge>Crit. rating/Alactricity
Nadia goes with same stats as u do, Qyzen same as Iresso and Zenith same as Tharan

Don't give up on the game mate, Its a wonderfull experience :P

EDIT: Forgot to add, all DPS Classes need Accuracy (100% melee / 110% Force/Tech), but this really is an issue only when u start raiding so don't bother with that while leveling too much and go for Surge
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Halinalle
06.13.2014 , 03:19 AM | #18
Consular story has the toughest bosses. Closely followed by Jedi Knight story. In these boss fight you really need good gear, know about advanced tactics like LoS, and interrupt (don't bother interrupting fast channeling abilities though, only the ones that take more than 2 seconds).

I remember having trouble with this fight on Balance Shadow. I even had trouble with my latest Shadow (Kinetic Combat) only because I didn't remember what to do here. LoS.

Just a warning: if this fight is tough you're going to hit the brick wall in the next quest on Belsavis (there's a really cheap way to do it though ). You really should learn how to interrupt properly or you will never finish chapter 3 (there's only one ability in last fight you must interrupt or else...).
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spudik
06.13.2014 , 04:34 AM | #19
Also what abbilities are u using? Rotation for 45+ TK Sage should look like this:
Weaken mind>Turbulence>Mind Crush>Force Potency>Mental Alactricity> Telekinetic Wave > Disturbance>Disturbance>Weaken Mind >Turbulence > Telekinetic wave> Mind Crush

Use Mind Crush on cooldown IF MA isn't running under MA it is better to use Disturbance.
Use Telekinetic Throw ONLY when u have the 1,5 sec casz buff from using Disturbance on target with Weaken Mind (Procs once in 10s window)

I have seen way too many players who were doing excelent dps by their opinion and then we found they are underperforming by 90%
The game overall is easy, it takes u through no matter which buttons are you mashing. And then there are few NPCs who actualy fight back and all of the sudden they are unbeatable and programmed to win. Its not like that, its just tough mob where u need to play ur class to its full potential and not just roll ur face on the keyboard...
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Magi-Ster
06.13.2014 , 06:15 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by spudik View Post
First of all Sages LIGHTSABER is important to him as any other char. Yes u don't swing with it but all of the stats from it Damage, Force Power, Power etc. contribute massively to all of your abbilities.
This. Just checked it to be absolutely sure: your melee and Force attacks scale identically depending on your lightsaber damage rating. Also very important replies about secondary stats and rotation above.