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Character 'Stark' (Class mission The Euphony) = unbeatable

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Character 'Stark' (Class mission The Euphony) = unbeatable

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EurythmyX
06.12.2014 , 01:32 AM | #1
As from the start I liked this game very much (great graphics and all, real enjoyable it all is)

...that is...until I met that char STARK (class mission The Euphony). That guy = realy programmed as unbeatable(??!): I play a Sage (kinetics dps skill tree level 47 hp 11615) with excellent gear + I equipped my companions in excellent ways..I play with a razer Naga Epic Elite Mouse (=fast = fluent moves)...but..that guy Stark seems to be unbeatable. Nothing works against him: interrupts do not have any real effects on the outcome of the fight..I tried all my companions (...and all fail).
I tried and failed beating that Stark now for 35 timed in a row: it allways goes the same way: first stage he takes dps (letting me believe i make progress)..but after a while he just 'decides' to take me & my companion out in just some 15 seconds: auto-healings do not work against his massive DPS, nor do the interrupts and placing myself out of side does not help either when Stark gets hammering...

So, nothing works & I must admit this provides a lot of irritation & frustration with me: even my girlfriend notices me getting irritated lately while I try beating that Stark. I do not want that..game has to be for enjoyment & fun.

When I play a game, I do it for enjoyment, not for getting irritated by some 'programmed unbeatable chars'.

I like SWTOR very much: all is great such as graphics etc. etc....there is much enjoyment & I must say it is by far the best MMORPG I have ever played.

But...why do they bring in chars like Stark with totally take away the fun & enjoyment of it all? That Stark takes away all the fun since Stark simplu is programmed as being unbeatable, obviously

I searched the internet for clues how to handle Stark, tried it all...but all failing easily. How do others cope with chars like Stark? Do they just 'skipp' the part? But can class mission be skipped? I think not

Look, I am a subscriber till March 2015 & I allways much liked SWTOR very much as from tnhe beginning..realy excellent game.

...till I met that Stark.....drains away my fun & enjoyment. This realy can come to the point that I quit playing due to that Stark character since he totally blocks any progress in my game.

What are the experiences of others with those unbeatable characters???

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spudik
06.12.2014 , 02:16 AM | #2
Key to defeating him will prly be interupting his Benevolence cast, as he has massive healing with that spell. As Sage u have ur Mind Snap interupt skill, then u can Knock him with Force Wave or stun with Force Stun. Even Force Lift can act like an interupt but with 2s cast it prly isnt worth it. He begins to cast it when he is >50% HP I believe.

Also If u can't really beat him on ur own try bringing some1 with u for that qst. If they are grouped with u they should see the space station (guildies, friends...) Or they can board ur ship on Fleet and then u can take them with you. He really is one of the hardest story bosses for consulars. Also make sure u bubble up, and use ur ista self heal.

If u happen to play on TofN I'll be glad to help in the evening hours or during the weekend, just whisp me in game. Character names are seen below
Irisen Shadow Irissen Guardian
Caleth Scoundrel Iri'sen Mando
Located at Tomb of Freedon Nadd as officer of CZ/SK guild
>>Havoc Squadron<<

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EurythmyX
06.12.2014 , 09:30 AM | #4
I both thank 'Spudik' & 'Felicatessen' with their well meant advises. Thanks. I also watched the clip with the underleveled sage winning. Was ok clip.

I tried all that (except for inviting others to help me in the fight) but it all failed: the damage dps coming from Stark comes so incrfedible fast & = so high dps that Tharan (almost fully loaded & me are taken out in just some seconds. Any interrrupts, well, seems they do not arrive in time since Starks dps comes so incredible fast (!!!!)...as I said it allways goes the same way: first part of the fight I keep 'entertained' by noticing Stark going to 50% health due to my coordinated actions...but then...as if a 'switch is pulled' out of nothing the comes with massively high dps & incredibly fast...killing me & Tharan in just seconds???? This is ridiculous...this is programmed to be the outcome of the fight. So, nothing I do will save me anyway. I tend to believe that even before the fight, the outcome is altready determined (randomly...say 10% chance of winning??!) and that the level one has & excellent equipment do not even have the slightest impact whatsoever. So, I quit Stark ruining my evenings & quit the class story. Yes, I can call in help...but that is not the way a class-mission ougft to be played, so I will not do that. Besides that: if I have to call in others to beat Stark...what's next? Keep caaling in others?? Not my style, being depending on others, I mean.

I experienced same with my other character: a Jedi Sentinel (focussed on DoT dps) level 46 also excellent equipment as as the companions. That sentinel also I had to leave behind (I do not play it anymore) because of a class mission opposing character on Belsavis I met. Also that char is programmed unbeatable..shielding of herself...& my massive dps (overleveled) did not have any impact: whereas my heavy strikes 1800 hp did not have any impact on that char...the only thing that char had to do was shoot say 5 times at me taking away over 20K hp of me & my companion in say 10 seconds killing us both??? Come on people..this is ridiculous...this is 'programmed to be the outcome...loosing' ! That Sentinel has tons of Cartel stuff & 5 max inventories with equipment I cannot use anymore in the game (all bound) since I could not pass that class character on Belsavis I had to leave that Jedi Sentinel be: I never played again with it as from then some 3 weeks ago & I never intend to play it again. Left it all behind me.

...& now I faces same problems with my new character (Jedi Sage kinetic dps) which also seems to be forced out of playing this game on Belsavis.......

Look...soccer football matches Brasil beginning soon, gonna watch that...& I certainly can do WITHOUT that BS undefeatable programmed class characters (Stark & another) irritating & frustrating me time after time. Leaves the question: why do they chase away their own subscribing customers this way????

I opine SWTOR is real excellent (in general)...but people..open your eyes: undefeatable programmed characters like Stark (& others, mostly on Belsavis)...well...the chase away your paying longtime subscribers. My subscribtion ends March 2015 & I will not renew again: let that char Stark (& same alike in class missions) go ruining someone else's evenings!! Bye

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spudik
06.12.2014 , 10:32 AM | #5
It's kinda strange that he would really obliterate u that fast. Do u mind posting ur stats or something? How much WP do u have or even what secondary stats do u use?

On a rare occcasion story instances bugs, have u tried going in combat log and reseting the story qst there, tried it again then?

There really isn't any unbeatable NPC in game, certainly not when u overlevel them...
Irisen Shadow Irissen Guardian
Caleth Scoundrel Iri'sen Mando
Located at Tomb of Freedon Nadd as officer of CZ/SK guild
>>Havoc Squadron<<

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EurythmyX
06.12.2014 , 01:03 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by spudik View Post
It's kinda strange that he would really obliterate u that fast. Do u mind posting ur stats or something? How much WP do u have or even what secondary stats do u use?

On a rare occcasion story instances bugs, have u tried going in combat log and reseting the story qst there, tried it again then?

There really isn't any unbeatable NPC in game, certainly not when u overlevel them...
Hi, you seems to be a kind person, willing to realy take a close look at that unbeatable Stark. Thanks for doing so.

I will post the stats some hours later since right now I am in a hurry to do some shoppings before stores close.

And no, it is not sstrange to be 'taken out' by that Styark so incredibly fast & with such ridiculous high dps: believe me, with both me & Iresso at say 80% of our strenght...= after some minutes battle...& both us us shielded by me...then it comes out of nothing: then Stark at once goes throwing/hammering say 4 times (each say 2000-2500 dps(!!) dps melting all my 20K hp Iresso & me away in secs) in just couple of seconds taking both me & Iresso out??! Last 5 times I tried Iresso as company (since Tharan...well...is taken out even faster than Iresso..shielding Tharan + healing him does not even work...Stark just hammers through it all in secs)). I watched that clip of the underleveled Sage winning...however...how often did that person try it? 50 times? Or 100 times? or 200 times? ...before succeeding doing so, and placing the YT-clip? We will never know for sure. I tend to believe that that player was just lucky (even he might be a very string player, that could be, but...I do not see him do anything that I haven't tried before...& my I have very fast internet speed & excellent hardware))..since I am convinced those fights are fixed outcome from the beginning against Stark (& some other unbeatables on Belsavis). Maybe it is programmed that 2 times out of 100 times trying one gets a 50% chance of winning? I suspect something like that. In my opinion it does not even matter if one is level 40 or 50 when fighting Stark (or unbeatables alike)...outcome = fixed. But if one is lucky...getting the 50% chance after say 3 times failing...that is possible.

So, later this evening I will post the specs for you to see. Now I better do some hurrying going buying some stuff for my girlfriend before she gets angry with me! lol

(Stark, well, I can put him off when he irritates me...but my girlfriend, that is total different story when she gets mad lol).

Thanks & till later

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DomiSotto
06.12.2014 , 01:28 PM | #7
I have just been through Stark's battle and it was unwinnable for me as well, despite an overlevelled Pure Healer Sage - level 47. My companion (Iresso) is under-equipped because I did not upgrade him much (some blues here and there, the rest were the game's greens for him from Belsavis). After 4 attempts, my Knight couldn't stand my cursing, got his behind off GTN, jumped on the ship, joined in, and Stark was dead in under 30 seconds. You need a damage soaker, and a damage dealer, and Sage + Companion just doesn't supply that. The fight is probably balanced for a Shadow.

My longest fight with him lasted for many minutes. Iresso was not doing enough damage, and I kited Stark, instead of Iresso once, which was stupid. I should have kited Iresso (I did Rescue him at some point... it's all a blurr) I was using Interrupts, I was using Armor, I was using Slow and Stun, and I was healing non-stop, I had Heroic Moment going on, I was noble-sacrificing when I ran out of focus (and I am Alacrity'ied to the wazooo), and I was doing every other thing that I could think of, except for ONE that apparently wins that fight.

I was mostly stationary. I was not using the Line of Sight.

Breaking Stark's LoS (after you sacrificed the companion for as much damage as the poor sod could take), in other words, hiding from him when he starts casting his insane DPS Turbulence and interrupting his healing as soon as possible whenever possible. Because interrupting Stark is hard. he is a machine. It will probably help to pay for the repairs every time you die, so you do not go into the next round under-powered.

But yes, the best way to win this fight is simply bring someone along & save yourself some frustration. It's a very hard fight, and there is no going around it.

Otherwise , you have to advance to the next level of game proficiency past just knowing the spells - you have to combine it with moving your character intelligently. A LOT.

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EurythmyX
06.12.2014 , 05:57 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by spudik View Post
It's kinda strange that he would really obliterate u that fast. Do u mind posting ur stats or something? How much WP do u have or even what secondary stats do u use?

On a rare occcasion story instances bugs, have u tried going in combat log and reseting the story qst there, tried it again then?

There really isn't any unbeatable NPC in game, certainly not when u overlevel them...
Hi, stats as follows:

Sage L47
str 95 / Presence 214 / Aim 47 / Cunning 97 / endurance 937 / WP 880 / Exp. 0 / damage pri 374 / Bonus damage 60 / Accuracy 90,93% / critical 15,42 / Crit. mult. 52,09% / Health 11.615 / Armor 1690 / Dam. reduction 14,21% Defense 10%/ + 2x relic Interposing harmony (= increased alacrity rating by 110 for 30 secs each / + Kinetic Mastery D-adaptor (ear piece) rating 96 / + 2x vehemence Sub-electronic resolve D-system rating 108 each
Eradicator's Cuirass 4 pieces fully customized + Omenbringers Legwraps fully customized at level.

Iresso
Str. 47 / Pre 0 / Aim 671 / Cunning 95 / Endurance 783 / WP 47 / Exp. 0 / Damage Pri 299-359 / Bonus dam. 52.2 / Acc. 93.3 / Crit. 8,15% / Crit mult. 61.65% / Health 11.145 / Armor 2930 / Damage red. 22,32% / Defense 8,20 / + optimal earpiece + 2x implants

Tharan
Str. 144 / Pre 0 / Aim 175 / Cunning 590 / End 764 / WP 47 / Exp. 0 / Damage pri 346-469 / Bonus damage 78 / Acc. 91,9% / Critical 10,54% / Crit mult. 50% / health 10.955 / Armor 2307 / Damage red. 18,45% / Defense 9,3% / + earpiece + 2x implants

Looks like Tharan has more damage + interrupts than Iresso but in the 40 fights I had with Stark it showed that Iresso lasts far longer: Tharan somehow 'vaporizes' from 80% health to zero in secs (I do not know reason for that, it just seems to happen each time, even when I fully shield Tharan with health & power armor; seems Stark hammers through it all in just some secs with incredible high dps.

I could maybe fully equip Nadia Grell (= still guest at this stage of class quest)...but...as I already mentioned, I do not realy think it will make any difference being geared up level 40 or level 50: outcome allways the same, fixed: first Stark takes damage dps due to my coordinated actions (walking around + interrupting + healing companion ...but after some minutes as if a 'swich is turned' & Stark begins producing massive dps & incredibly fast. I also noticed that 'as out of nothing & fully unexpected at that time Stark is again a full 100% loaded (health etc.)...all happens within some seconds while he is hammering me down including him destrying me & my companion (at 80% health) with some immense dps throws...vaporizing in total approx 20K hitpoints of mine & companion together. How the hell could that be possible? Both shielded(!)...& that Starks Hammers throught it all as if power shieldings + healths + stims not even existing in that final part of the fight???

I do not mind difficult fights. To the contrary I like those: one loses say 4 or 5 times...analyses it all...making new attack plans..adjusting (sometimes using other companion) ...& beating my opponent in the end. Such is real entertainment. I like that. I beated opponenets approx 50K hp earlier, several of them on different planets...was challenging & represented real fun & entertainment.
But those class mission characters such as Stark (+ another I met with my Jedi Sentinel L46 which I could not overcome) are completely different; the outcome of those fights obviously seems to be fixed to be lost by the player as from the start; I figure as I stated above: they must have programmed them maybe something like: 'randomly each 50 fights you loose 49 times for sure and for the one fight remaining one gets a 50% chance to win. Something like that, i think". So, if one is lucky one gets his fair fight as the very first one. And better win that one, since the next 49 fights with Stark are fixed programmed as lost fights.

It is a shame that such unbeatable characters as Stark are placed in the class mission sections since players cannot realy choose 'to go around them'. This makes it real irritating. Anyway, I stopped fighting Stark: he makes me frustrated, he irritates me enormeously by now & he fully destroys the great entertainment I normally get when I play SWTOR for hours & hours. Again, I opine SWTOR is the best MMORPG I ever played (and play); it is realy great & excellent enjoyment and real fun & challenging. In fact everything is real excellent with this game. Only thing that goes horribly wrong is the totally misplaced fixed fight unbeatable characters the players encounter on Belsavis. So, I quit my class mission (seems that way I will loose the best Sage companion: Nadia Grell, but, ok..). Think I limit it all to the planet missions. The class missions are past tense for me now.

Again, thks for the interest you show for this problem.

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EurythmyX
06.12.2014 , 06:32 PM | #9
[QUOTE=DomiSotto;7478802]I have just been through Stark's battle and it was unwinnable for me as well, despite an overlevelled Pure Healer Sage - level 47. My companion (Iresso) is under-equipped because I did not upgrade him much (some blues here and there, the rest were the game's greens for him from Belsavis). After 4 attempts, my Knight couldn't stand my cursing, got his behind off GTN, jumped on the ship, joined in, and Stark was dead in under 30 seconds. You need a damage soaker, and a damage dealer, and Sage + Companion just doesn't supply that. The fight is probably balanced for a Shadow.

My longest fight with him lasted for many minutes. Iresso was not doing enough damage, and I kited Stark, instead of Iresso once, which was stupid. I should have kited Iresso (I did Rescue him at some point... it's all a blurr) I was using Interrupts, I was using Armor, I was using Slow and Stun, and I was healing non-stop, I had Heroic Moment going on, I was noble-sacrificing when I ran out of focus (and I am Alacrity'ied to the wazooo), and I was doing every other thing that I could think of, except for ONE that apparently wins that fight.

Hi,

Yes, that Stark is totally misplaced in this game with the fixed fights as I explained. As about DPS: my Sage is kinetic dps skill tree & produces very high dps kinetics way even using the special heavy Kinetics implants & the 30 secs high alacrity 110 for 30 secs (& i have two of those!). So, I produce very heavy DPS with my kinetic Sage. As I explained on different planets my Sage took out oppionenets (Chiefs as I recall & a General) both having approx 50 K hitpoints. Took a while, most times I lost first time, but then adjusted my attacks & beted them. Was real good entertainment.

So, difficult fights I do not have have a problem with, those take time, but that is part of the fun of it all.

No, it is the 'fixed outcome fights' such as Stark that frustrate me. Thiose are fully misplaced in the class mission section.

I some 3 weeks ago left another charcter I have: a Jedi sentinel level 46 which faced also some unbeatable opponent on Belsavis. I left the Sentinel and started over again: this time with a heavy dps Sage Kinetics. And guess what??? Now I face some same type unbeatabkle char in my class mission????

Anyway, each say 3 levels I optimalize my gears + those of my opponents. One should do that to face up to your opponents on the planets.

About your LoS (Stark): fcaus I did that...as often as possible. Guess what: I noticed even if I am out of sight too much of his bursts keep hitting me? Why is that??

Last: you can keep running aroound (for some time_ but yr power will be drained far sooner than that of Stark: he seems to be able to fully "refill himself'" in just some secs while he is after you....didn 't you notice that????

Anyway, being beated for say a max of 15 times against very diffucult opponents, well that can happen, I have no problem with that. That makes one analyze how to change adjust the attack plans...= entertainment.

But being beaten for 40 times in a row in fixed outcome loosing fights? no, I do not like that. I leave that for others lol. So, I quit those missions as sson as I reach Belsavis. That is my opinion about it all. Justy go do some planet missions & leave those ridiculous class missions (as from planet Belsavis) far behind you. Obviously they made some horribly programming errors with chars like Stark (& 1 other char I know of). Just skip mit all.

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Nazdika
06.12.2014 , 06:48 PM | #10
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This is ridiculous...this is programmed to be the outcome of the fight. So, nothing I do will save me anyway. I tend to believe that even before the fight, the outcome is altready determined (randomly...say 10% chance of winning??!)
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Also that char is programmed unbeatable..shielding of herself...& my massive dps (overleveled) did not have any impact:
No offence meant, and sorry to be somewhat blunt. I think you are fooling yourself with such thinking. The JK has some tough enemies in the class story, that is definitely true. And the Stark guy is tough as well. But totally not unbeatable, and totally not programmed to be so. I and many of my friends would have seen variations in the fights if your theory was true. Instead we saw variations in our fighting, and guess what, made it past those enemies.

I suggest either bring some friends, as someone else said, or take movies of the fights and analyze them, ideally again with friends. Since you seem to miss abilities of your opponent like when he is healing himself.

If there is a bug, the friends might help identify it. Bugs are of course always possible. I find it kinda interesting though that the bugs in all the class stories happen to the same person in front of the keyboard. But who knows.