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Kwerty's Tactics Vanguard Guide

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Kwerty's Tactics Vanguard Guide

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TACeMossie
05.30.2014 , 05:31 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by drummerinthesun View Post
TAC, I love your posts, man. One thing I think you could add to your gearing section in both guides is what to swap out for the optimal crit rating for both Tactics and Assault for players that want the best spec per fight. Sentinels switch out an earpiece and a enhancement for accuracy, for example, when switching between Combat and other specs. Or perhaps find a happy medium between the two? Say above 200 but below 300?
Sure.
What I normally do is carry a belt, bracer and earpiece with crit, as well as having both a power and a crit crystal unlocked in my collections. At the same time, I have a spare power belt + bracer

For assault, I use all the crit gear, and put a crit crystal in the offhand (Black - green hawkeye in the mainhand I want to keep). For single target fights where I use tactics (e.g. Brontes, and not on Kite duty for dread council, as well as dummy parsing) I swap the belt/bracer for power instead of crit. And if its an AoE fight for tactics, I use double power crystals, the crit belt, the power bracer and the crit earpiece
Kwerty, Level 65 Vanguard/Powertech on The Harbinger

3.0 Guides: Vanguard DPS Guide | Powertech DPS Guide
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TACeMossie
05.30.2014 , 08:35 PM | #12
Anyway, I updated the parse to a much better one. This time the issues were APM, instead of lag - Could have had top tactics parse
Kwerty, Level 65 Vanguard/Powertech on The Harbinger

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battkg
05.31.2014 , 04:47 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by JaredBartok View Post
I'm loving the clean 4 block rotation that includes MV, but I have a few questions on implementation.

1) Per my calculations and experimentation, this doesn't seem to be heat neutral rotation. Even with the heat reduction cooldowns, I'm running into heat issues after about 500K damage from this rotation. Am I doing it wrong and this should be sustainable with good execution and proper use of cooldowns? If I am not screwing it up somehow, how do you/would you guys adjust the rotation? There aren't any extra IPs to replace with HS, so the only options I see that would help would be to replace MV or the occasional HiB (or unprocced SS?) with HS. I'm leaning towards skipping every other MV.

Thanks!
Rotation-wise, the rotation I specified uses between 393 and 425 energy every minute. (412.36 on average). Tactics builds are capable of regenerating 380 energy every minute naturally without taking area damage. If you do not use recharge cells or reserve powercell, you will run out of energy. If you use your energy cooldowns intelligently then you can get 413 (or 414 if you happen to be able to use reserve power cell on pulse cannon) energy per second.
So that basically means that you can go under or over depending on how lucky you are with battering ram granting free stockstrikes. It doesn't really matter considering that you have to essentially never proc a free stockstrike 3 or 4 times for the negative energy loss to matter. Especially since on real fights you rarely are going to be sitting on a boss not named Nefra and not take area damage. (Why you would use tactics on Nefra is another matter)
Coincidentally, if you proc a free stockstrike from ion pulse twice, then you can squeeze in an extra ion pulse. I have now revealed all the tricks I have learned for the tactics rotation.

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JaredBartok
06.02.2014 , 09:21 AM | #14
This was very helpful. Thanks! I was finally able to put it together and keep the heat in check for a full 1 mil dummy parse and was able to hit 3335 DPS, and that was still with a few errors here and there and only 39 APM.

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LanceCorporalDan
06.03.2014 , 09:53 AM | #15
Great guide! I have been playin tactics since 2.0 and it is by far my favorite spec to play in PvP out of all my characters. I picked up a few things with applying DoTs to more targets and kiting better. Thanks
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NateSoGross
06.08.2014 , 10:37 AM | #16
What is there for me to change:
http://www.torparse.com/a/692278/tim...814/0/Overview
Parsec said 3300 but torparse said otherwise.
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Krev_Roo
06.08.2014 , 03:37 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by NateSoGross View Post
What is there for me to change:
http://www.torparse.com/a/692278/tim...814/0/Overview
Parsec said 3300 but torparse said otherwise.
Nice job on your parse man. There are a few things I can see right off the bat from your opener alone.
You did:
G FP HiB PC PC MV MV SS IP IP

You really should use:
G PC PC MV MV FP SS HiB IP IP

If you are parsing you should always start off with three stacks of your PC or Flamethrower for you, which I know you did.
However, I noticed you didn't pre-load your Shoulder Cannon, you should pre-load you shoulder cannon before parsing as well cause in a real fight these two things are ideal to start with.

G PC PC MV MV FP SS HiB IP IP
is also better because this maximizes your burst in the beginning utilizing not only your Battle Focus or Explosive fuel and your adrenal but it also allows for your PC and MV/DfA rotation which contribute greatly to your dps to be used nearly on CD of MV/DfA. Which you can still do with the way you chose but having it up front starts you out much higher. As well with having Shoulder cannon already loaded up you can use one( or two) of those missiles on and in between G/RB and the start of PC/FT. Though you can save them for spamming right after MV/DfA if that's your preference of burst. This way you aren't wasting the 18s it would have taken you to wait for your SC to load to full use (or spamming it during loading), Instead it takes 7s to shoot off your SC, saving you 11s on its cool-down till your second one. It seems minuscule but it really helps.

There are probably a few things that TaC will see.
But in my opinion looking at the same ol' AMR you have on the Shadowlands Leaderboard, besides switching up your opening burst, it's really only gear that is holding you back, cause without factoring in the lucky crit high hit rates that sometimes happen when parsing (I mean just look at the crits Battkt was getting in that memorable parse), you're pretty much at the potential of your gear.
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TACeMossie
06.08.2014 , 09:44 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Krev_Roo View Post
Nice job on your parse man. There are a few things I can see right off the bat from your opener alone.
You did:
G FP HiB PC PC MV MV SS IP IP

You really should use:
G PC PC MV MV FP SS HiB IP IP

If you are parsing you should always start off with three stacks of your PC or Flamethrower for you, which I know you did.
However, I noticed you didn't pre-load your Shoulder Cannon, you should pre-load you shoulder cannon before parsing as well cause in a real fight these two things are ideal to start with.

G PC PC MV MV FP SS HiB IP IP
is also better because this maximizes your burst in the beginning utilizing not only your Battle Focus or Explosive fuel and your adrenal but it also allows for your PC and MV/DfA rotation which contribute greatly to your dps to be used nearly on CD of MV/DfA. Which you can still do with the way you chose but having it up front starts you out much higher. As well with having Shoulder cannon already loaded up you can use one( or two) of those missiles on and in between G/RB and the start of PC/FT. Though you can save them for spamming right after MV/DfA if that's your preference of burst. This way you aren't wasting the 18s it would have taken you to wait for your SC to load to full use (or spamming it during loading), Instead it takes 7s to shoot off your SC, saving you 11s on its cool-down till your second one. It seems minuscule but it really helps.

There are probably a few things that TaC will see.
But in my opinion looking at the same ol' AMR you have on the Shadowlands Leaderboard, besides switching up your opening burst, it's really only gear that is holding you back, cause without factoring in the lucky crit high hit rates that sometimes happen when parsing (I mean just look at the crits Battkt was getting in that memorable parse), you're pretty much at the potential of your gear.
Nah, you pretty much got it all. It was the opener that held you back, everything else was pretty much perfect.
That and if the AMR on the shadowlands leaderboard is right, the 31 offhand (should really upgrade that...)
Kwerty, Level 65 Vanguard/Powertech on The Harbinger

3.0 Guides: Vanguard DPS Guide | Powertech DPS Guide
4.0 Guides: Advanced Prototype | Pyrotech

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NateSoGross
06.09.2014 , 09:04 PM | #19
I ended up with this:
http://www.torparse.com/a/693877/tim...679/0/Overview
I do have a 180 offhand. I don't know how to really throw in MV with the parse without overheating. Also I don't get how to MV MV and the PC PC 2 times in a row with a 1 min and 15 sec cooldown. I'm probably stupid for not knowing what you are talking about but I'm not super good with abrieviations talk.
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NateSoGross
06.09.2014 , 09:14 PM | #20
Also I'm supposed to pop my battle focus adrenal before PC and MV or after?( and I usually do pre load sc, I probably want paying attention but I beat that parse so)
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