I5 with Sli or I7

left part of what they said out

Concluding

If you take away a high-end gaming rig from your mindset and understand what AMD is bringing to the table with Kaveri, then you should be impressed. It is a rather bold move for AMD to focus more on the IGP side of things rather then CPU performance. I profoundly like the new Kaveri architecture, it is the first true native heterogeneous APU architecture that will set the path into the future. With it's well over 2 Billion transistors it isn't even a cheap chip to produce. I do worry though that the overall serial processing performance (raw processor performance) is just not enough to make a big enough difference for you guys as you demand something faster. That really is my only negative view on Kaveri. On the architecture side of things, Kaveri is looking mighty good.

Still what I said stands if you want best processor with best video card=best gaming rig

If you want somthing affordable with a good graphics card go AMD for the rest best

I don't understand why anyone would get a 7850k for gaming, as there are better AMD cpus.

The 8350 is only $20 more ($220), and the 9370 is $60 more.

If budget is a big concern I'd still get the 8350 over the 7850k.

And we've shown you evidence that an i3-4330 will outperform the 8750K with the same GPU. And its cheaper. What part of this isn't making sense?

That's not true at all. Again: Comparison of 4770k and 7850k.

Both are quad core CPUs, but the 4770K has hyperthreading. The 4770K scores 35% higher in single-core performance, 75% higher in multi-core performance, and 120% higher in 32bit application performance. That is not "too close to even notice". It also has lower power consumption and better performance per watt, which are also very important for gaming performance.

You're not reading and understanding your own source material:

You seem to think that HTPC and SFF use has high demands on CPUs. It doesn't. HTPCs are low-end use cases for CPUs. People who build HTPCs like AMDs APUs because they don't have to find room for a dedicated GPU card, leaving the cases more open and easier to cool. It doesn't take a great chip to power a HTPC. The reason why i7's aren't used is because it is hilarious overkill.

Point 1: Note the segments they're aiming for: HTPCs and mainstream use (internet, office, flash gaming). This is a lower performance market than gaming and heavy processing.

Point 2: They're not talking about the 7850K being a gaming powerhouse. They're talking about it being suitable for games. It still can't hope to match Intel chips.

You may have skipped over the majority of the post you quoted. Perhaps go back and read it again before refuting the information given.

I clearly stated that;

There is a huge difference between an IGP integrated onto a CPU and a dedicated GPU. Not relying on Guru3D for an in-depth on the architecture or benchmarks, Anandtech has that one down much better.

This pretty much sums it up and gives me all the information I needed on the 7850k;

source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7677/a...0-a10-7850k/16

Don't take my post out of context, try reading the information given before jumping the gun. I'm not getting into the whole AMD vs Intel vs Nvidia thing (I have zero brand loyalty ) On paper an APU using HSA / GCN is all very good and well, it still isn't quite there yet on catching up with a solid CPU and a solid GPU (even mobile variants)

This thread has become downright hilarious. And guess whats in my rig? i3-4330

My rig for swtor and work(remote desktop assistance, remoting into peoples PCs to fix minor issues, clean out malware etc):
Intel i3-4330 3.5Ghz w/hyperthreading so it shows as 4 cores in device manager, but only has 2 physical cores. This processor is comparable to AMDs top of the line CPUs in single threaded performance including the 8350.
Gigabyte mobo 1150 socket, nothing special.
Modular PSU and Small rosewill case(Line-M)
crap dvd drive cuz who cares
Sapphire 7870 OC to 1250Ghz
I had 16GB 1600 DDR3 lying around and an old 1tb WD HDD
plus an INTEL SSD 240GB for the boot drive

$597 Newegg Bought on black friday 2013 The i3 was $119 the 7870 was $110.

Could I have done better with a 8350 processor? No.
more expensive more heat more power(I'd need a larger PSU)
SO to put any AMD processor in my system in place of one of intels weakest chips would make me spend more on the chip, the power supply, and the motherboard.
Even on black friday going AMD on the processor would ad about 60-80$ to my build for almost no increase in performance. If there would be one.

So ACTUALLY AMD is only better on price with GPUs cuz their processors are SUCH crap. And have you seen them? They are HUGE! Its like a graham cracker. My i3 is tiny and I didnt even have to buy an after market cooler...OH I forgot I would need to buy that too to put an AMD chip in my system so It would add like $100 total to my cost.

SO there goes your cost argument.

AMD = the concealment operatives of the chip making world. (and thats a compliment)

Nothing you type will change the reality that AMD is inferior in all ways to nVidia and Intel...for now.

Im sorry if you think an i3 is comparable to AMD 7850k, you are clearly not a good buyer.

The only chip comparable to 7850k AMD and superior AMD chips is the i7 440k, thats the truth.

Intel=Sith Empire of Chips
AMD= People's chips Republic

i3 Vs AMD 7850k
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=1192

i3 has 2 cores 7850k has 4 and a higher clock speed.

Still the i3 beats it in single AND multithread performance.

here is the i3 v. 8350
8350 barely wins
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1192

So i5 or i7 smash all AMD chips. Cuz i3 competes with them so close.

AMD is better at being worse.

I proved that an unreliable source same form Tom's Hardware, CPU world.com is better source just as 3DGuru.

i3 would never beat 7850k, that is just biased and unprofesional.

No. CPU world is not an industry authority. Toms and Anandtech are far more reliable and proven. Even Guru3D doesn't pretend to know more about hardware than Toms and Anandtech. And CPU world doesn't claim to know anything much at all. They haven't changed their website design since 2003. Furthermore, CPU world shows no benchmarks. You're basing your evaluation on CPU world's spec sheets. CPU world doesn't do testing. They don't do benchmarks. I don't think they even get review samples. They just collect spec sheets and news articles from other sites... and do it in a rather mediocre way.

Just to pick a single example: CPU world notes the 7850K's higher clock speed as an advantage. It's not. The IPC on a 7850K is so much lower than the i3-4330 that the Intel chip runs applications faster than the 7850K even with a lower clock speed. The whole "clock speed determines CPU power" was proven wrong years ago, when the 3 GHz Pentium IIIs were getting out-performed by ... guess, what... 2GHz AMD chips. Three years later, and the tide had turned: Intel's Core2 chips put the AthlonX2's to shame, as the Athlons simply couldn't match the IPC improvements in the Core2's. Since then, AMD has never matched Intel's IPC, and has needed to have drastically higher clock speeds to pull of similar performance.

And as for Guru3D: It says that the 7850K loses out to all the i7's... and since i7's and i5's have similar single-core performance... that puts it behind the i5's, too. And the i3's are just a little further back, about equal to the 7850K... and cheaper.

And again:

Guru3D says that the chip is only really good for HTPCs and office use, and not up to gaming use. Of course, it's acceptable for GPU-intensive games, but it would still be a limiting factor. In SWTOR, the 4750K is probably going to hold you back a bit if you try to run a max quality.