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ZahirS
05.28.2014 , 01:46 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Malastare View Post
You've been missing the point. You seem to only care about IGP performance. IGPs should be considered budget gaming GPUs.

Now for the kicker:

In a game which stresses both CPU and GPU --like SWTOR-- no AMD APU is going to be able to give you 60fps on High settings. I'm not even sure about Medium settings wth AA. If you want to play SWTOR on High settings, you're going to need a dedicated GPU and a decent CPU. The i3-4330 is a better CPU for SWTOR and costs less than the 7850k. See here.

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You dont get it, an APU is a chip a quad processor you can have any card NVIDIA OR AMD with it and it will outperform i7, i5, i3, now thats reality AMD does make good chips.

HTC computer is now offcially AMD's, if you want to play games in your computer at max buy an AMD chip and a Videocard and keep updating, intel is a thing of the past.

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BuriDogshin
05.28.2014 , 02:06 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
You dont get it, an APU is a chip a quad processor you can have any card NVIDIA OR AMD with it and it will outperform i7, i5, i3, now thats reality AMD does make good chips.

HTC computer is now offcially AMD's, if you want to play games in your computer at max buy an AMD chip and a Videocard and keep updating, intel is a thing of the past.

As of May 15, 2014, TechReport disagrees with you:
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AMD still isn't in a terribly competitive position, though. Its Socket AM3+ platform is growing long in the tooth, with relatively slow processors, excessive power consumption, and chipsets that date back from 2011. AMD's new Kaveri chips come with a newer platform and lower power use, but the retail-boxed versions of Kaveri are either unavailable or marked up excessively for how they perform. ...

In the end, we're still left with a limited selection of chips worth recommending—and an inevitable bias toward Intel, which continues to offer the best overall CPU performance, the smallest power envelopes, and the best upgrade path. ... If you care the least bit about gaming performance, you ought to be buying a discrete graphics card. Sadly, that means there's not much point in us recommending an AMD processor right now.
(emphasis added)
Going Preferred January 31, 2015.

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ZahirS
05.28.2014 , 02:24 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by BuriDogshin View Post
As of May 15, 2014, TechReport disagrees with you:
(emphasis added)
I should bold the part: "Biased intel" as it is now AMD is best for gaming, future games will be optimized for AMD so besides been cheaper it will let you play the games you like longer, smoother and graphically impressive.

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Malastare
05.28.2014 , 03:00 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
You dont get it, an APU is a chip a quad processor you can have any card NVIDIA OR AMD with it and it will outperform i7, i5, i3,
No. I sense that you're not even reading the information and links supplied to you.

An i3-4330 outperforms a 7850K. All i5s and i7s from the Sandy Bridge generation and later will outperform the 7850K. A i3-4330 with an R9-270 (dedicated GPU) will outperform a 7850K with a R9-270, and will cost less. In performance, the 7850K isn't even in the same class as the 4770K, and the new Devil's Canyon chips are going to widen the gap even more.

Let's make a chart:

Gaming Performance: (some guesswork involved)
Best
i7-4790K w/ gaming GPU
i7-4770 w/ gaming GPU
i5-4670 w/ gaming GPU
i7-3770 w/ gaming GPU
i5-3570 w/ gaming GPU
i7-2600 w/ gaming GPU
i5-2500 w/ gaming GPU
i3-4330 w/ gaming GPU
A10-7850K w/ gaming GPU
i5-4670 w/ budget GPU
A10-7850K (IGP)
i7-4770 (IGP)
i3-4330 (IGP)
Not Best

NOTE: Fixed typo on the AMD model number. The rankings still stand.

Let's toss out some raw numbers, too. Benchmarks aren't a great way of measuring game performance, but the numbers are a bit beyond the level where we'd be worried about accuracy:

PassMark scores:

AMD A10-7850K: 5,723
Intel i3-4330: 5,101 (Nearly matches the 7850K with half the cores)
Intel i5-2500K: 6,500
Intel i5-3670: 7,175 (25% higher than 7850K)
Intel i7-3770: 9,650
Intel i7-4770K: 10,319
Intel i7-4930K: 13,226 (More than 2.3 times the score of the 7850K)

The 4850K is about the best APU AMD has for now (and one of the best CPUs in AMDs consumer lineup). It cannot match Intel performance even for chips that are one generation old. It is worse. It is slower in processing almost every workload. I'm sorry if that makes you sad. It's not my intention to upset you. I am simply trying to help you understand where your CPU lies in the range of CPU performance.

Now, most people have no need for a chip like the 4930K, but to claim that AMD has more powerful CPUs.... it just doesn't make sense.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
now thats reality AMD does make good chips.
AMD does make good chips. They just don't have the performance of Intel chips. The only market where they are better is in the low-end, integrated graphics market. For gaming or other high-performance tasks, Intel is going to perform better.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
if you want to play games in your computer at max buy an AMD chip and a Videocard and keep updating, intel is a thing of the past.
No. No matter how many times you repeat it, it doesn't change the actual results. AMD cannot match the performance of Intel chips. That's the way its been for a good six years now. Consoles have chosen AMD chips because they are cheaper and offer unified hardware that is easier and cheaper to manufacture, not because they are more powerful. No reputable PC builder honestly believes that AMD is the leader in the CPU market. It's so far from the truth that it's laughable. I can't come to any other conclusion except that you are playing some joke on others.

Nonetheless, I'll stick around, correcting your posts so that someone doesn't mistake your text for actual information.

If you want maximum performance in games, you should aim for an i5 chip from Intel and a gaming-quality dedicated video card.

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ZahirS
05.28.2014 , 03:17 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Malastare View Post
No. I sense that you're not even reading the information and links supplied to you.

An i3-4330 outperforms a 7850K. All i5s and i7s from the Sandy Bridge generation and later will outperform the 7850K. A i3-4330 with an R9-270 (dedicated GPU) will outperform a 7850K with a R9-270, and will cost less. In performance, the 7850K isn't even in the same class as the 4770K, and the new Devil's Canyon chips are going to widen the gap even more.
Actually I read every page before posting the links, you are decieving people AMD 7850k is best processor pairs with a card over 7850 line or Nvidia Titan for example.

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Let's make a chart:

Gaming Performance: (some guesswork involved)
Best
i7-4790K w/ gaming GPU
i7-4770 w/ gaming GPU
i5-4670 w/ gaming GPU
i7-3770 w/ gaming GPU
i5-3570 w/ gaming GPU
i7-2600 w/ gaming GPU
i5-2500 w/ gaming GPU
i3-4330 w/ gaming GPU
A10-4850K w/ gaming GPU
i5-4670 w/ budget GPU
A10-4850K (IGP)
i7-4770 (IGP)
i3-4330 (IGP)
Not Best
Its 7850k, wrong table no info.

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Let's toss out some raw numbers, too. Benchmarks aren't a great way of measuring game performance, but the numbers are a bit beyond the level where we'd be worried about accuracy:

PassMark scores:

AMD A10-7850K: 5,723
Intel i3-4330: 5,101 (Nearly matches the 7850K with half the cores)
Intel i5-2500K: 6,500
Intel i5-3670: 7,175 (25% higher than 7850K)
Intel i7-3770: 9,650
Intel i7-4770K: 10,319
Intel i7-4930K: 13,226 (More than 2.3 times the score of the 7850K)

The 4850K is about the best APU AMD has for now (and one of the best CPUs in AMDs consumer lineup). It cannot match Intel performance even for chips that are one generation old. It is worse. It is slower in processing almost every workload. I'm sorry if that makes you sad. It's not my intention to upset you. I am simply trying to help you understand where your CPU lies in the range of CPU performance.
You probably dont know but most sites are intel biased, all the tables used 7850k and it outperformed i5, i7 in some tests they cant hide, so if you pair 7850k with another card lets say R9 or GFX line will definetly outperform any intel, because AMD chips use GPU as extra power for any task.

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Now, most people have no need for a chip like the 4930K, but to claim that AMD has more powerful CPUs.... it just doesn't make sense.
It does make sense if you try it, give it a shot its blazing fast.

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AMD does make good chips. They just don't have the performance of Intel chips. The only market where they are better is in the low-end, integrated graphics market. For gaming or other high-performance tasks, Intel is going to perform better.
Intel right now is good at tests that use "3D rendering" or that use marks to tests performance, games are becoming everytime less CPU depandant. for example Intel is good at playing Star Craft 2 and very bad at playing Star Swarm (New Game)

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No. No matter how many times you repeat it, it doesn't change the actual results. AMD cannot match the performance of Intel chips. That's the way its been for a good six years now. Consoles have chosen AMD chips because they are cheaper and offer unified hardware that is easier and cheaper to manufacture, not because they are more powerful. No reputable PC builder honestly believes that AMD is the leader in the CPU market. It's so far from the truth that it's laughable. I can't come to any other conclusion except that you are playing some joke on others.

Nonetheless, I'll stick around, correcting your posts so that someone doesn't mistake your text for actual information.

If you want maximum performance in games, you should aim for an i5 chip from Intel and a gaming-quality dedicated video card.
i5 is a thing of the past, keep your card if its a R9 and buy AMD chips they are better at gaming.

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Dokar
05.28.2014 , 03:23 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
Actually I read every page before posting the links, you are decieving people AMD 7850k is best processor pairs with a card over 7850 line or Nvidia Titan for example.



Its 7850k, wrong table no info.



You probably dont know but most sites are intel biased, all the tables used 7850k and it outperformed i5, i7 in some tests they cant hide, so if you pair 7850k with another card lets say R9 or GFX line will definetly outperform any intel, because AMD chips use GPU as extra power for any task.



It does make sense if you try it, give it a shot its blazing fast.



Intel right now is good at tests that use "3D rendering" or that use marks to tests performance, games are becoming everytime less CPU depandant. for example Intel is good at playing Star Craft 2 and very bad at playing Star Swarm (New Game)



i5 is a thing of the past, keep your card if its a R9 and buy AMD chips they are better at gaming.
He has provided data to back his claim, where is yours?

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ZahirS
05.28.2014 , 03:29 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Dokar View Post
He has provided data to back his claim, where is yours?
Previous page.

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Dokar
05.28.2014 , 03:34 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by ZahirS View Post
Previous page.
you didn't look very hard at what at what you posted

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,14.html

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BuriDogshin
05.28.2014 , 03:57 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Dokar View Post
you didn't look very hard at what at what you posted
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,14.html
In particular:
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the A10 7850K APU offers decent enough CPU performance ... Gamers with a high-end dedicated graphics cards will however require a little more in terms of raw processor performance.
Going Preferred January 31, 2015.

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ZahirS
05.28.2014 , 04:19 PM | #70
That why I said, if you still can afford an i7 paired with a monster GPU go for that is best gaming rig.

If you want the best on budget go AMD which is too close to i7, to even notice difference.

Btw here is the quote in context:
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These APUs are just great for any HTPC or small form factor functionality. The A10 has 512 Shader processors, the move towards the GCN GPU architecture was a great, albeit expensive, one. But utilizing both the CPU and GPU architecture does make Kaveri Excel at tasks that will make use of both, OpenCL keeps coming back into my mind as well as gaming. If you purchase a Kaveri APU with the combination of that Series 8 motherboard, you'll have a processor, graphics subsystem, up-to eight SATA-600 ports, USB 3.0, heaps of USB 2.0 ports, Gigabit Ethernet, HD audio and you simply get a very up-to-date PC.

Any Kaveri APU will be will be hard to beat in terms of features and overall performance, it is an excellent and affordable APU for a HTPC or a mainstream Windows 8.1 PC. Gamers with a high-end dedicated graphics cards will however require a little more in terms of raw processor performance. But if enough games get supported, Mantle might be the magic that AMD needs to happen and solve that need. The A10-7850K really is a terrific product offering heaps of features, fun and a very decent PC experience.