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PvP Healing, by far the worst experience I've ever had as a gamer

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PvP Healing, by far the worst experience I've ever had as a gamer

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raelimar
12.24.2011 , 12:14 AM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by Paranax View Post
Just roll operative or scoundrel, run around knifing, run away and heal when you get low, then come back and continue knifing. You can get 30 killing blows without dying once because of how much of a joke that spec is to play because nobody can outheal your damage and nobody can outdamage your healing (unless you're terrible).
Ah yes. That 62 point Concealment/Medic spec is pretty brutal from what I've heard.
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lokivoid
12.24.2011 , 12:36 AM | #152
Quote: Originally Posted by Izini View Post
I'm having a blast healing in PvP! You are comparing this game to WoW, which has op healing and horrible PvP.
Wile i will agree healers in wow are OP. The wow's pvp in general is near perfect compared to this game. Hell even warhammer had more fluidity in there combat mechanics than Swtor.

Problem overall has to do with the class designs and overall mechanics in general. a fue classes are completely lack luster with little coheasion of abilities. Wile others are just stright up overpowered in functionality. Movement and ability responsiveness is also a major issue.

In general the game feels like it rushed with no real polish to the overall mechanics. To much focus was placed on voice overs that no one will care about four months down the road.

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cardsinhand
12.24.2011 , 12:48 AM | #153
Usually the problem isn't the healing itself or survivability, it's having someone useful to heal.

I can either do 300k damage or 300k healing, but at least with damage I can make sure the healers are dying and not rely on bad pugs to do it. So of course I'm going to go with damage.
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Grimhand
12.24.2011 , 12:53 AM | #154
Quote: Originally Posted by rawkus View Post
Honestly, it's not even fun.

I'm hardly bad or a beginner (2700 exp Resto Druid), but I can't even begin to describe how awful PvP healing is in this game. I won't even get into the raid frames and totally unresponsive targeting system. Right now my Operative is 44 so I have all my abilities and it's still crap. Every single random DPS baddie can easily knock off 30-50% of my health in a global so it's impossible to keep up and then you just get interrupted/cc'ed to hell. Juking the interrupt? Good luck figuring that out!

It's not a positioning issue. It's not a l2p issue either.

It's just not fun being completely helpless without serious peels and even then healing is totally underwhelming.
Rofl. That is like bragging about an A in a class with an average of 99%
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Rasstavad
12.24.2011 , 01:09 AM | #155
Quote: Originally Posted by Skrewloose View Post
Maybe your right, maybe your wrong. But the Druid healer thing made me LOL. Resto druids were so OP, you can't even begin to compare that to SWTOR.
Resto Druids haven't been OP for the last couple of seasons, at least. In fact, I would even go so far as to state that a Resto Druid in 3's is a free fast kill for any melee cleave and especially anything with a DK on it. There are many issues causing this - mostly involving how many GCD's it takes to get a full rack of hots up after a hard switch (LB in particular). They also have the weakest "flash" heal of all the healers, no type of "aura mastery" and everything is tied into one school. There are other issues, but these are the most obvious ones. Hell, they even nerfed WG last patch. Most every druid has gone on to play alts or went feral.

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Evermint
12.24.2011 , 01:17 AM | #156
Quote: Originally Posted by Amiracle View Post
This is the trend in pvp for healers.

1) You are ecpected to follow everyone else and be there healbot
2) You are expected to heal everyone else and tank the other team
3) You are suppose to defend yourself while tanking 3+ players and healing your team
4) You are not expected to survive one vs one when all healers are focussed fired all the time.
This is the first MMO I've tried healing in. I have to say, I find this all rather exciting! I'm only a 37 sorc, but I've had some memorable and great PvP experiences so far - like this one time, surviving what felt like the entire enemy team in one mission with clever positioning, stuns, shields, HOTs, all my cool-downs, and force speed, while my team melted them all around me. I got 3 MVP votes that game.

Another time, 3 of my guild-mates and I went an entire (victorious!) PvP without a single death in our ranks. I felt that was a major personal achievement, and we were rather proud of ourselves.

I'm sure you have ~some~ DPS skills you can also use?

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PureLuckNoSkills
12.24.2011 , 03:26 AM | #157
The problem is not the raid frames or "clunky" mechanics. Heck as a sawbones scoundrel I can keep people alive FOREVER in PvE, it's easy and fun. In PvP it's a different story however (and no i don't want to keep everyone 100% hp all the time on pvp too). In PvP my damage numbers are almost same with my healing ones and sometimes they're even higher than healing. The problem is there is no reason for me to cast a heal, i can just join the zergtrain and help the burst. The best healing i can offer is to kill other team so everyone can pop their rest abilities.
Give me a reason to use my GCD for healing instead of damage. Right now using DPS and CC is more effective than a heal. Respeccing to scrapper is not an option because i'm having a blast in heroics and flashpoints they're all fun.
I'm not sure if i should be happy because i can whoop *** in pvp as a healer or feel bad because i'm not a good doctor and save people

I'm a 33 Sawbones Scoundrel (all points in Sawbones) while writing this and i played WoW,Rift,AoC,CoX,DCUO and TF2 as healers.

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Bakarn
12.24.2011 , 03:45 AM | #158
Again, I make the point. There are three archetypes in this game. Tank. Healer. DPS.

Healers will suffer until the community as a whole figures out that, shockingly, tanks are necessary to PvP. Which they are. All that "burst" you're complaining about means squat when even a DPS specced tank throws a Guard and AoE taunts everyone attacking you every 30s.

Just to put into perspective what that means, it means you're taking around 30% of the damage you usually do, unless they attack the tank. Tanks in this game can turn you into a tank. The 50% splash damage they take is then reduced by their armour and defensive utility. This means if you're talking about, say, a Guardian who wants to let you live through some burst, the pair of you are soaking up more than 70% of their damage.

People are still learning this. You cannot actually kill a Guarded healer as a DPS. It's impossible. In fact they will kill you outright, with ease. Once the PvP orientated tanks start to learn how to switch Guard depending on their situation people will feel much, much stronger than they do currently.

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jdi_knght
12.24.2011 , 04:24 AM | #159
Quote: Originally Posted by rawkus View Post
Right now my Operative is 44 so I have all my abilities and it's still crap. Every single random DPS baddie can easily knock off 30-50% of my health in a global so it's impossible to keep up and then you just get interrupted/cc'ed to hell. Juking the interrupt? Good luck figuring that out!

It's not a positioning issue. It's not a l2p issue either.

It's just not fun being completely helpless without serious peels and even then healing is totally underwhelming.
Operative/Smugger healers probably still need buffs (they certainly needed them in beta, but haven't played one since launch so don't know 1st-hand if much has changed, though it's rare I see one perform as well as the other healers). They're easily the weakest of the 3 healing classes.

It's not a PvP healing issue as your thread title implies though (PvP healing on the whole is fine more-or-less), it's a class issue. And you'd be right to bring it up.

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RepublicMaverick
12.24.2011 , 05:04 AM | #160
Our guild did some PvPing last night and we had 2 healers and 2 DPS. Went like a charm. sure we lost some games and sure we did die, but the healers also managed to keep us alive a lot of the times and visa versa. I am really enjoying the PVP except for the lvl difference but that is a different cup of tea.