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Bioware: Most of your players are pvp'ers.... figure it out!

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Bioware: Most of your players are pvp'ers.... figure it out!

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robertthebard
05.18.2014 , 05:38 PM | #331
Quote: Originally Posted by catracho View Post
/Agree

Sangrar, I may not have any statistics on the ones not included who are barely satisfied, but many of those players have either left for ESO, waiting for WildStar, or just waiting for another game that can satisfy them more than below averagely. It's called bleeding subs, which SWTOR has been doing since launch.

I want this game to improve Sangrar, but in order for it to do so the devs NEED to start listening to the hardcore/competitive communities.
Oh, I think they're paying way too much attention to the "competitive" community; just look at FB and the OP nerfs, along with the upcoming nerfs to Juggs/Guradians. The "competitive" community is doing more than enough damage to the PvE aspects of the game, TYVM. I mean, come on, Spike now stuns instead of does it's knock down because the mobs started a petition on the forums? Getting knocked down was an inconvenience to them? In fairness though, it now has a fairly reliable stun, but really, the only reason to change that was because the "competitive" crowd couldn't compete with it, right?

So when the tank classes start feeling like they've been butchered enough, and the Ops players get tired of being pigeonholed into healer roles since their skills outside of that role are being whittled away by the "competitive" community and split, how much good is listening to the "competitive" community really doing?

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JediMasterSLC
05.18.2014 , 05:41 PM | #332
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
Nope. He still doesn't speak for those people unless he is an elected rep, which he has yet to provide documentation of such.
You're right: it's entirely possible that a significant fraction of those unsubs were completely satisfied with the game, but still unsubbed because.... umm, because....

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Sangrar
05.18.2014 , 05:55 PM | #333
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
You're right: it's entirely possible that a significant fraction of those unsubs were completely satisfied with the game, but still unsubbed because.... umm, because....
well here is an example of a guy who was satisfied with the game but unsubbed as he mainly played for the trooper story
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Capt_Beers
05.18.2014 , 05:59 PM | #334
Quote: Originally Posted by robertthebard View Post
Oh, I think they're paying way too much attention to the "competitive" community; just look at FB and the OP nerfs, along with the upcoming nerfs to Juggs/Guradians. The "competitive" community is doing more than enough damage to the PvE aspects of the game, TYVM. I mean, come on, Spike now stuns instead of does it's knock down because the mobs started a petition on the forums? Getting knocked down was an inconvenience to them? In fairness though, it now has a fairly reliable stun, but really, the only reason to change that was because the "competitive" crowd couldn't compete with it, right?

So when the tank classes start feeling like they've been butchered enough, and the Ops players get tired of being pigeonholed into healer roles since their skills outside of that role are being whittled away by the "competitive" community and split, how much good is listening to the "competitive" community really doing?
I don't know of a single competitive PvPer that agreed with the Op KD removal. I have no idea why they changed Spike but it's actually a buff to Sins. If you Spiked someone with Hold the Line up nothing happened to them since they are immune to physics. It will now stun them since it's a stun instead of a KD.
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05.18.2014 , 06:00 PM | #335
Quote: Originally Posted by jimbothirtytwo View Post
I'm fairly certain that BioWare are well aware of what the metrics are in their own game. Just like in every MMO, serious PvP'ers are a highly vocal minority. It's the same in every game. What're you? New?


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05.18.2014 , 06:02 PM | #336
Quote: Originally Posted by catracho View Post
Yet compare those guys to the million+ that unsubbed. Big difference. They are the majority, he's not. It's only common sense.
you misunderstand, the guy I quoted was talking about people unsubbing due to not being satisfied, that guy unsubbed because while he was satisfied he only played for the class story.
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Capt_Beers
05.18.2014 , 06:03 PM | #337
That guy's opinion means less than nothing on this forum. He was clearly looking for a single player game.
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robertthebard
05.18.2014 , 06:12 PM | #338
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
There's a problem with that philosophy: anytime someone makes an argument that the other person doesn't like or can't provide a good response to, they could just claim "this is ridiculous, I'm done wasting my time with you". Anyone who has ever done competitive debate will tell you that an argument that goes answered is conceded, and considered as functionally true for the rest of the debate.
I can fix this really fast: The two points you "won" in the example were me not picking up the flamebait left for another poster. I don't really think that refusing to respond to flamebait is a loss, but you're certainly free to see it as a win, I wouldn't go all chest beating about it, but hey, what do I know, I'm just being level headed about obvious trolling. In case you didn't know, which it's likely that you don't, flame baiting is trolling as defined by the ToS. Refusing to respond to it does exactly one thing, neutralizes the troll, which is why we now have you claiming victory in an internet discussion, so, in the immortal words of Cmdr Shepard, "Congratulations?".

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Wylf
05.18.2014 , 06:16 PM | #339
Quote: Originally Posted by catracho View Post
You don't play an MMO with a singleplayer view in mind.
I. You mean "I don't play an MMO with a singleplayer view in mind.". Because other people most certainly do. Especially in a game which is heavily storydriven, like SWTOR.
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Reno_Tarshil
05.18.2014 , 06:18 PM | #340
Quote: Originally Posted by Wylf View Post
I. You mean "I don't play an MMO with a singleplayer view in mind.". Because other people most certainly do. Especially in a game which is heavily storydriven, like SWTOR.
This. I play this MMO as a solo player first.
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