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Bioware: Most of your players are pvp'ers.... figure it out!

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Bioware: Most of your players are pvp'ers.... figure it out!

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JediMasterSLC
05.18.2014 , 05:00 PM | #321
Quote: Originally Posted by theUndead View Post
Except you are one person with one opinion bringing up the past. I don't know if you noticed but the game actually survived and is doing better. Sorry that you simply can't accept that people actually enjoy this game.
Survived, not thrived. If it could have done if there more competent people behind the wheel.

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Reno_Tarshil
05.18.2014 , 05:02 PM | #322
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
My point was that you aren't allowed to use your own ... interesting perception that the game is doing just fine as a justification for declaring critiques of the game as trivial.
Yes I am in fact allowed. It's called an opinion and these are forums filled with discussions where you can share your opinion.
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Sangrar
05.18.2014 , 05:03 PM | #323
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
My point was that you aren't allowed to use your own ... interesting perception that the game is doing just fine as a justification for declaring critiques of the game as trivial.
the irony
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Knockerz
05.18.2014 , 05:05 PM | #324
Quote: Originally Posted by catracho View Post
I did not accuse Andryah of anything. All I did was assess her arguments, pulled them a part and pointed out why each of her points - including those of the other overzealous posters - were logical fallacies. I'm sorry if you can't accept that.

Protip: Switching to F2P in less than a year, when the head devs specifically said to fans that this game would be sub-only, is horrible, combined when everyone has factual evidence that subscriptions were falling drastically, servers were dying, and that there's been a lack of long term retention at endgame content since launch. My god you people are like zombies.
It's more like a sub only game. The f2p model has a lot of restrictions compared to other f2p models like Tera or PSO2. However, there will always be some form of restriciton. I bought a premium pass for PSO2 for one month that gives me access to max 40 quest, double of fun points for each I log in, premium blocks, and most important ability to sell items on the auction house. I was sub for Tera and the restrictions that were lift were the 15 percent listing fee on the auction house, daily boosters for xp, gold, and rep, and teleportation scowls for instant travel between any major city. Swtor lets you use the auction house, but puts limits a max credit limit on your f2p account and some limitation on pve access, ops, daily flash points, gear acquisition, convince services, revivals ect.

Swtor model is more like a compromise between the Tera and PSO2 it gives you access to the auction house. A f2p account on pso2 won't allow you to sell items on auction house unless you subscribe or buy a my shop ticket, which is like 53% value of a monthly subscription. To make money in pso2 you need to be able to sell on the auction house. For tera they have a 15 percent fee, which makes your wares non competitive on the auction house and eats away at your earning in that game. For pso2 the max amount of quest you can hold in your quest is log is 20 for a f2p, but a premium pass gives you 40, which means you can finish quest more efficiently and thus level faster. It's so worth it buying a premium pass. The point I'm making is that swtor puts in place hard restriction for access to end game content, convenience services, unify color no hats ect, and a credit limit. Personally, I think the other models are more viable for drawing in new players compared to swtor, but swtor is Star Wars where Tera is unknown. PSO2 is know in Japan, but relative unknown outside.

The subscription on pso2 and Tera are very attractive, but I think pso2 model is superior compared to swtor and Tera. First, a f2p player can buy any item of any value on the auction house, but you can't sell any of your items without access to the auction house. You can run Tacos, which are like dailies for credits, but you get tired of running them by the 3rd day straight. Also forgot to mention, in pso2 if you not a subscriber you can only acquire star weapons or armor of 10 or greater through drops only, but as a subscribe you can trade in a 10 weapon or armor for a ticket that allows you to use any other 10 star or greater weapon or armor being sold on the auction house. In that regard pso2 is similar to swtor endgame gear restriction.

As for retention and how swtor is doing isn't that bad. In tera there is noticeably less activity, which is reflect in the auction house, forums, and in game. There is also the fact the developers at blue hole released a new class with only one race, elins. The reason is they didn't have the large enough development staff to develop the animations for the other races. It's like swtor coming out with a new class, but being humans only.

The restriction on swtor are probably due to BW thinking that swtor is good enough that they don't need to loosen the restrictions compared to Tera. BW knows for the most part what they are doing for maximizing profits. If this model was shown to maximize their profits, then why would they switch to another model? As for pso2 it's doing very well. It's actually a very old series in japan and been around since the 90's.
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JediMasterSLC
05.18.2014 , 05:10 PM | #325
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
Except, you don't speak for everyone, just yourself. To claim that you speak for the masses, discredits you.

Now if you wish to provide valid documentation that you are a rep of a group of people that's one thing but until then, you only speak for you.
Except that if 1.7 million people have unsubbed, then he can say with mathematical certainty that the majority of players have been dissatisfied with the game. Not including all the people currently subscribed that are barely satisfied enough with the game to keep playing.

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Sangrar
05.18.2014 , 05:11 PM | #326
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
Except that if 1.7 million people have unsubbed, then he can say with mathematical certainty that the majority of players have been dissatisfied with the game. Not including all the people currently subscribed that are barely satisfied enough with the game to keep playing.
the second part you really have no statistical evidence or proof about.
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Reno_Tarshil
05.18.2014 , 05:11 PM | #327
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
Except that if 1.7 million people have unsubbed, then he can say with mathematical certainty that the majority of players have been dissatisfied with the game. Not including all the people currently subscribed that are barely satisfied enough with the game to keep playing.
Nope. He still doesn't speak for those people unless he is an elected rep, which he has yet to provide documentation of such.
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Sangrar
05.18.2014 , 05:15 PM | #328
Quote: Originally Posted by catracho View Post
I brought up the past because it's affected SWTOR in present time. Still highly lacking in endgame and with a blow from ESO, how worse will it get with WildStar? The devs need to focus on the hardcore playerbases in order for SWTOR not to just survive and dwindle, but survive and thrive.
what blow from eso? Last I checked fleet still has way more than 140 people on it.
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robertthebard
05.18.2014 , 05:25 PM | #329
Quote: Originally Posted by catracho View Post
Why would a billion dollar corporation need overzealous defending to the point where you have to get other posters in trouble by moderation just for criticizing and/or questioning them?
Here's the real question, why do they feel the need to get themselves in trouble through moderation? I certainly never push the Report Post button unless it's sexually explicit, or trying to sell credits. I have, however, been banned from BSN for posting a link to the "My mom cancelled my WoW account" video in the 345,678th "I Hate the Ending" thread in the ME 3 forums. It seems to me that the detractors are faster to report "defenders" than vice versa. At least, from my own perspective, and, the reality is, I hated the endings too, but with 4 threads active on the front page at that time, #5 really wasn't needed.

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JediMasterSLC
05.18.2014 , 05:30 PM | #330
Quote: Originally Posted by Sangrar View Post
the second part you really have no statistical evidence or proof about.
Why would I need mathematical proof? I didn't say "a lot", or "a majority" of subscribers feel that way. I merely indicated that such people exist.