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BioWare are you trying to get your operations players to leave?

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BioWare are you trying to get your operations players to leave?

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MillionsKNives
05.08.2014 , 08:30 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
I'm certain they are not trying to drive anyone away, but by the same token, if they constantly have to cave to raiders and give them something new every few months to keep them happy, the bigger patches with the more important items will continue to take a backseat. Personally, I like that they are puting some things in with 2.8 and making 2.9 a very big deal by end of summer. I would rather sit tight and wait for great content, than be handed not-so-great content every few months just because I feel the urge to race to the finish.

The only major flaw I ever saw with raiding, was the lightspeed progression just to beat another guild to the finish line. It's awesome if you can solve a Rubik's cube in 42 seconds, but I would rather enjoy mine and take a week or two to figure it out.
Over a year is way over "every few months". Once every 6 months, which is what I and some others in this thread think is appropriate, would still be considerably longer than "every few months"

I have to agree with others, there should have been a new ops scheduled for at least 2.8 or 2.9, though 2.7 would probably have been more appropriate. It shouldn't take 6 months just to increase the health and damage, and add a new mechanic or two to an ops.

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ZETA_SCORPII
05.08.2014 , 08:32 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
I'm certain they are not trying to drive anyone away, but by the same token, if they constantly have to cave to raiders and give them something new every few months to keep them happy, the bigger patches with the more important items will continue to take a backseat. Personally, I like that they are puting some things in with 2.8 and making 2.9 a very big deal by end of summer. I would rather sit tight and wait for great content, than be handed not-so-great content every few months just because I feel the urge to race to the finish.

The only major flaw I ever saw with raiding, was the lightspeed progression just to beat another guild to the finish line. It's awesome if you can solve a Rubik's cube in 42 seconds, but I would rather enjoy mine and take a week or two to figure it out.
There is no reason why Bioware/EA can't release new Ops along with the cool stuff they have planned over the summer. Like I said in a previous post, this isn't a poor company being run out of a garage.

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Superman_AZ
05.08.2014 , 08:35 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
Over a year isn't "every few months".

I have to agree with others, there should have been a new ops scheduled for at least 2.8 or 2.9, though 2.7 would probably have been more appropriate. It shouldn't take 6 months just to increase the health and damage, and add a new mechanic or two to an ops.
Most MMOs have that one long dry spell in it. For WoW, the last raid of each expansion lasts 11+ months until the next big thing. This is not just someone BW pulled out of the darkplace smooching with their chair. It's pretty common. The other thing that is pretty common is every 90 days, raiders get bored because they completed 3 months worth of content in 2.5 weeks. If they were not in competition with other guilds in some race to the finish that only they care about, threads like this would not even be necessary. But, they will continue to play it fast and furious, and the rest of us will be slow and steady. BW knows where most of its "bread and butter" comes from, and it is the casual end of the swimming pool.
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Superman_AZ
05.08.2014 , 08:41 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by ZETA_SCORPII View Post
There is no reason why Bioware/EA can't release new Ops along with the cool stuff they have planned over the summer. Like I said in a previous post, this isn't a poor company being run out of a garage.
You're right, it's not. It is a large company with facts and figures to support its reasons for what it does. I hate Blizzard with a fiery passion, but at the end of the day, it is their game, and their choice for what they do. Even if they do make horrible design choices, pick some of the worst themes from a dart board, and then create an entire expansion using an asian culture in a fantasy MMO. It was World of Warcraft, not Kung Fu: The Legend Continues.

Same with BW. They are a small team who have to pick and choose what goes in next, and what is delayed. Sometimes, to bring in something BIG, you have to leave out something small. I will be more worried when they leave out something big just to bring in something SMALL (like Warlords of No Content).
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Icebergy
05.08.2014 , 08:41 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
I'm certain they are not trying to drive anyone away, but by the same token, if they constantly have to cave to raiders and give them something new every few months to keep them happy, the bigger patches with the more important items will continue to take a backseat. Personally, I like that they are puting some things in with 2.8 and making 2.9 a very big deal by end of summer. I would rather sit tight and wait for great content, than be handed not-so-great content every few months just because I feel the urge to race to the finish.
This point falls apart with the fact that we have not had a new Operation in 9 months, and it looks like its going to be at least another 4-5 months before we get one.
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ZETA_SCORPII
05.08.2014 , 08:41 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
Most MMOs have that one long dry spell in it. For WoW, the last raid of each expansion lasts 11+ months until the next big thing. This is not just someone BW pulled out of the darkplace smooching with their chair. It's pretty common. The other thing that is pretty common is every 90 days, raiders get bored because they completed 3 months worth of content in 2.5 weeks. If they were not in competition with other guilds in some race to the finish that only they care about, threads like this would not even be necessary. But, they will continue to play it fast and furious, and the rest of us will be slow and steady. BW knows where most of its "bread and butter" comes from, and it is the casual end of the swimming pool.
Do you not enjoy raiding? You continue to classify those of us that do as locusts burning through content. Many of us enjoy doing several things in this game but you gotta keep the content you group up for fresh. I enjoy running old Ops and run them every week, I don't just clear something and then I'm done with it. Back when I played this game solo I was told that I was stupid because this is a MMO, now I find casual raiding to be very fun and enjoyable with others but the content needs to stay fresh imo. HM 55 FP's have been pretty much abandoned it seems as well.

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Duniss
05.08.2014 , 08:45 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
I'm certain they are not trying to drive anyone away, but by the same token, if they constantly have to cave to raiders and give them something new every few months to keep them happy, the bigger patches with the more important items will continue to take a backseat. Personally, I like that they are puting some things in with 2.8 and making 2.9 a very big deal by end of summer. I would rather sit tight and wait for great content, than be handed not-so-great content every few months just because I feel the urge to race to the finish.

The only major flaw I ever saw with raiding, was the lightspeed progression just to beat another guild to the finish line. It's awesome if you can solve a Rubik's cube in 42 seconds, but I would rather enjoy mine and take a week or two to figure it out.
As things stands now timeline between last and new tier of ops will be longer then 1 year... So yea I can sit tight for great content, waiting for 1 year for it bit out of my confront zone.

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ZETA_SCORPII
05.08.2014 , 08:45 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post
You're right, it's not. It is a large company with facts and figures to support its reasons for what it does. I hate Blizzard with a fiery passion, but at the end of the day, it is their game, and their choice for what they do. Even if they do make horrible design choices, pick some of the worst themes from a dart board, and then create an entire expansion using an asian culture in a fantasy MMO. It was World of Warcraft, not Kung Fu: The Legend Continues.

Same with BW. They are a small team who have to pick and choose what goes in next, and what is delayed. Sometimes, to bring in something BIG, you have to leave out something small. I will be more worried when they leave out something big just to bring in something SMALL (like Warlords of No Content).
Good point. Too bad someone with the guts like Steve Jobs had doesn't run this game, it's not like Star Wars is huge or anything .

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Superman_AZ
05.08.2014 , 08:50 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by ZETA_SCORPII View Post
Do you not enjoy raiding? You continue to classify those of us that do as locusts burning through content. Many of us enjoy doing several things in this game but you gotta keep the content you group up for fresh. I enjoy running old Ops and run them every week, I don't just clear something and then I'm done with it. Back when I played this game solo I was told that I was stupid because this is a MMO, now I find casual raiding to be very fun and enjoyable with others but the content needs to stay fresh imo. HM 55 FP's have been pretty much abandoned it seems as well.
I don't believe in name calling, so the word locust is yours, not mine. I do enjoy raiding when given the time and chance. I also enjoy the occasional PvP when common sense escapes me

Just because you personally do not burn through content does not mean the majority doesn't. In fact, I would encourage you to watch the next time a new OP is released. It's astonishing to check YouTube the following morning and search for videos on the new OP. There are usually dozens of vids from hardcore guilds wanting to be the first to stream it, the first to clear it, and the first to talk about it.

I've said before, I hope raiders do get their new content, but I cannot blame BW for slowing the release pace just a bit to keep people interested longer, rather than clear>unsub>wait.
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Superman_AZ
05.08.2014 , 08:55 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by ZETA_SCORPII View Post
Good point. Too bad someone with the guts like Steve Jobs had doesn't run this game, it's not like Star Wars is huge or anything .
Jobs was good, but he had nothing to lose. The only reason Apple did so well, was because of how underhanded Jobs really was. You should check out his life story sometime. Also, in order to become the animal he was, he went through 30 years of taking orders from others. I would imagine BioWare doesn't have nearly the horde of mindless zombies willing to buy its products like Apple does.

Android could make a phone that prints money, parks your car, streams adult content into virtual 3D glasses, goes to work for you, and makes it so you only have to work 1 day a year, and an Apple Fanboy will still pick the iPhone. Until BW gets a following like THAT, who ever is in charge will never have the advantage Steve Jobs had.
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