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TOR can go anywhere now that it is non-canon

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Kaisernick
05.02.2014 , 03:18 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by HiddenPalm View Post
This is why there is this "Legends" thing now. Its just an excuse to justify the coming lore mistakes we will probably see in the movies. Dont let the new owners confuse you. Legends is as legit as Diet Soda. Canon is what has happened in the Star Wars Universe, and no billions of dollars will ever change that, unless you the fan take their word for it.

Basically we can all expect a movie that will not be canon. Which is fine, people do fan films all the the time. And this will be one big glorified fan film.
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I'm going to vent a personal feeling here and leave it at that.

I. Don't. Want. Diet Soda.

And I especially don't like being told that what I've been 'drinking' since I was a child isn't the genuine article. I gave them my money, I enjoyed their stories, I went through every twist and turn, watched the new 'brands' and 'flavors' come out, liked some of them, and shook my head at others.

If I'm shilling out money to buy what was packaged as Dr. Pepper, consistently, constantly, for years on years, enjoying the flavor and allowing others to enjoy their own, I don't want to be told that what I was drinking all those years, consistently, constantly, wasn't Dr. Pepper after all. The 'real' Dr. Pepper will taste a little like Diet Dr. Pepper now, though. Maybe. Trust us.

This is either a terrible analogy, or I'm taking this way too emotionally right now. I'm betting the latter, but there's still probably a grain of truth in there.
ok look at it this way on these forums there's the whole 1vs2 argument.
so let say there's a vader vs starkiller argument going on now some will say that Vader is the most powerful after all he is the chosen one, but others will point out that starkiller is far more powerful as he beat Vader.
now those who support the Starkiller theory may or may not be wrong they have valid points but in the end they choose to believe that he is more powerful.

So i plan to basically stick the middle finger to disney and it Sw clone and say "yeah u think that happened but your completely wrong idiots".

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Neltronluur
05.04.2014 , 10:22 AM | #12
It's funny because Disney's mentality mirrors the of a Male Lion in Africa (No reference to Lion King). When a male lion wrestles control of a pride away from the current male (Lucas), the new male kills off every cub that the previous male ever fathered destroying his legacy (Lucas's Legacy). If the new male (Disney) doesn't kill of the other lion's legacy, the females ( Star Wars Fans) will not accept the new male as a leader and will continue to safeguard the existing legacy.

So I just have one thing to say to Disney:

"Bring on your f'ed up new canon, you try to win me over and this what you will get!"
"Master of the Living Force"

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MiaRB
05.04.2014 , 12:02 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Neltronluur View Post
It's funny because Disney's mentality mirrors the of a Male Lion in Africa (No reference to Lion King). When a male lion wrestles control of a pride away from the current male (Lucas), the new male kills off every cub that the previous male ever fathered destroying his legacy (Lucas's Legacy). If the new male (Disney) doesn't kill of the other lion's legacy, the females ( Star Wars Fans) will not accept the new male as a leader and will continue to safeguard the existing legacy.

So I just have one thing to say to Disney:

"Bring on your f'ed up new canon, you try to win me over and this what you will get!"
first off, Disney didn't kill off anything. all non-lucas canon is now called legend instead of c-canon and all the other letter canon ratings. all of which were NEVER actually canon that lucas had to adhere to. so the EU material is in the same place now as it always has been... stories that the movies don't need to follow or acknowledge.

second, the legacy of lucas was the movies and TCW, both are canon and havnt been killed off.

third, Disney didn't replace lucas, the story group is what replaced lucas. and just like lucas, the story group is not bound to treat EU stories as canon and can totally ignore it all if they choose to, just like lucas did.
can't wait for this game to come out!

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Raynn
05.04.2014 , 12:29 PM | #14
Say what you want but it is a slap in the face to the fans. Yes, Lucas never agreed to make the EU canon, so at any time he could ultimately decide the fate of SW. But face it, if authors like Timothy Zahn and Michael Stackpole hadn't busted their asses and brought some legitimacy to the IP again, we'd all be on WoW right now instead of that galaxy far, far away. For Disney to come out and say that all the stories, lore, and hard work which kept SW such an interesting IP is basically BS feels a bit cheap. On top of it, the fact that its because they're being lazy and not researching up on what's already been thought out just shows how much they give a crap about the universe. And they killed Thrawn off like he never existed. Can't forgive that ****.....
"I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite post on the Citiadel."
Raynn (PT Tank)
(Lord Praven, Drooga's Pleasure Barge, The Harbinger)

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MiaRB
05.04.2014 , 02:02 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Raynn View Post
Say what you want but it is a slap in the face to the fans. Yes, Lucas never agreed to make the EU canon, so at any time he could ultimately decide the fate of SW. But face it, if authors like Timothy Zahn and Michael Stackpole hadn't busted their asses and brought some legitimacy to the IP again, we'd all be on WoW right now instead of that galaxy far, far away. For Disney to come out and say that all the stories, lore, and hard work which kept SW such an interesting IP is basically BS feels a bit cheap. On top of it, the fact that its because they're being lazy and not researching up on what's already been thought out just shows how much they give a crap about the universe. And they killed Thrawn off like he never existed. Can't forgive that ****.....
pretty sure zahn and the other EU authors got paid and continue to get paid and will continue to get paid since their books will still be in print and sold.

you are just looking for something to be outraged about. you can say what you want and pretend like someone slapped you in the face, but it wont change the FACT that "legends" isn't any less important than c-canon was because the ONLY canon that matter was what lucas created. no new movie or TV show was ever going to treat the EU like it true canon, regardless if it was lucas creating the content or if it is the story group creating it.
can't wait for this game to come out!

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BrianDavion
05.04.2014 , 02:11 PM | #16
Zahn seems to be content "just to have played in the sandbox" so let's not try to get enraged over how hard done by he is. he's cool with it.

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DarkAngelRiku
05.04.2014 , 02:20 PM | #17
Okay since some of you honestly don't seem to get it...let me post here what I posted in a similar thread

Look, the EU wasn't exactly ever true canon to begin with. Lucas stated idk how many times that it wasn't done in the direction he would have taken it. It was just there as a placeholder since at the time EP VII wasn't even going to happen. But now that it is, the decision to deem 35+ years of books and games in the EU non-canon was done to give the guys at Lucasfilm, JJ Abrams, Disney, and Lawrence Kasden a little more room with the creative freedom. I mean think about it, they had two choices and either one was going to piss fans off. Do they keep the characters from the books that honestly not every Star Wars fan has had access to, and confuse the hell out of people who don't know who said characters are, on top of piss off fans of say Mara Jade by screwing her up entirely?

But what of the second route? Where they say "Nope it all goes and this is how it really goes?" Yes it pissed off fans of the books as well as the games, but from a creative freedom standpoint, as well as a means to draw new fans into the SW fandom, it was honestly..the better choice. Either way, someone was going to get alienated in the fandom, and it's best to alienate the fans of the books in this case. Besides that, in the tweet from Jennifer Heddle, she herself said not to take anything she says regarding the videogames seriously, especially concerning TOR since it's a huge gray area. The new Story Group in charge of canon could very well still say this game is canon, which in turn would..honestly make KOTOR canon again, or they can say no it's not and you know what, it wouldn't hurt anything? Why, because if you truly enjoy the game, it shouldn't matter if it is canon or not.

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PavSalco
05.08.2014 , 03:56 PM | #18
In today's livestream they confirmed that they have freedom in writing the plot, so the story group does not constraint them.

My opinion: It doesn't matter whether the game is canon or not. It is good to known that they are not restricted by anything. It's still fun to play and I'm looking forward to the new story arcs.