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idnewton
04.22.2014 , 10:50 AM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin View Post
Because we were promised Cross Server Queues along with Season 1. We have every right to complain about lack of pops and matchmaking.
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Jadescythe
04.22.2014 , 10:53 AM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by tanerb View Post
Then why are you guys complaining that ranked does not fire? I have never seen Nim guilds complaining that they can not find people to run with. PVP in this game does not have a big population of high skilled players. When will you guys understand that?
I'd like the game to be developed in such a way that it encourages competitive players to play. There is plenty in this game that attracts the casual player, we need some features to attract the competitive players as well. A ranked scene that rewards skilled player highly, having good class balance, making strategy important, and allowing open competition (aka cross-server) would be steps to make this happen. While we are waiting on some of those to be possible, it is important to keep the other factors in place.

BW has made great strides in balancing classes, even if they have a ways to go. I think the rewards for the top 3 players of a spec are a step in the right direction for properly rewarding skill, although the top 2 on each server would probably be a better option with no cross server. There are a number of different playable comps at the moment, but strategy still doesn't play a huge part in the game as one comp always seems to be better than any other. Cross server we are all aware isn't coming any time soon.
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L-RANDLE
04.22.2014 , 10:54 AM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin View Post
Because we were promised Cross Server Queues along with Season 1. We have every right to complain about lack of pops and matchmaking.
That was not the only issue. They lost a TON of players by removing 8v8 ranked, not offering any compensation for players that transferred, and going from some pretty substantial barriers, to no barriers at all.

Here us something I wish Alex would try. Call it a test run. Announce you are putting 8v8 ranked as team and solo, and put some of those suggested mounts in the sticky thread as reward for meeting certain benchmarks in wins/damage/pro/heal, as a reward while we are waiting for S2 to commence. The only stipulation is needing to have 1900EXP and fully augmented. I can all but gurantee the Que pops will cut in half.
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04.22.2014 , 10:54 AM | #144
Quote: Originally Posted by idnewton View Post
Wait, what? Good luck faking, er, I mean finding that quote.
Feel free to find the video of the guild summit on Youtube, or it has been posted in multiple threads. It also sat in the warzone queue screen for all of pre-season1, so about a year and a half.
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AlrikFassbauer
04.22.2014 , 10:56 AM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by tanerb View Post
Then why are you guys complaining that ranked does not fire?
I will never understand this, either.

Top tier PvP players will play among them in closed circles - but at the same time complain when there are no new players arriving.
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Shevaresh
04.22.2014 , 10:57 AM | #146
Must say I'm a bit baffled by the logics being applied to this new weekly/daily for ranked. I thought, obvious wrongly apperently, that the idea was to bring more people into playing pvp ranked, rather than simply giving more ranked coms to those playing already? Wasn't the unranked daily weekly charged for that exact same purpose, that it was driving people away from pvp that you had to win (even on the servers with massive pvp-inbalance)? While I do agree that pvp'ers(or rather people who enjoy competing at the highest tier of content in pvp aswell) should be able to have a "dedicated" gaming system, such as the nightmare modes is for raiders, I don't really see how putting in an unachievable daily/weekly would encourage more people to join in trying to get better at this content? Putting in a requirement for starting on nightmare mode DF, that you must first suffer through endless wipes of Brontes on nightmare mode and must conquerer her, before you can start on nightmare mode DF at all, doesn't make sense in my head either.

While ranked (ideally) should be the "stage" for the most dedicated and skilled players to play against eachother, the fact remains that other than at primetime in weekends, there's hardly a single "pop" of the ranked ques on the server where I play, which I imagine is not an isolated issue for my server. Chosing between not playing most of the time in a system designed (exclusively) for the elite, or playing (fairly) regulary and "suffering" the occasional bad player, isn't really a choice is it? What's the point of being awesome at something you don't get to do? (Not that I claim to be that, in any way) So while it would be awesome to have a dedicated system for those passionate about the pvp experience (aswell), the fact remains that there isn't enough people playing it to make it a stable (self-sufficient) enviroment in this game as is. To get more people playing it, requires them to be motivated to do so, and people don't generate stable enduring motivation by punishment or the lure of an unachievable reward, but by concrete (incremental ideally) rewards. And yes, this will properly mean that we'll suffer through loads of clueless people queing up to get easy coms, but some of those might actually get interesting to doing more pvp and learning how to be better at it, meaning that the long term benefits might be that we get more (good) people playing pvp, providing more (regular) competition for the community as a whole.

I might be the "odd one out" on these forums in this regard, but I fully acknowledge that I wasn't "born into" superior pvp-skills, but actually had to (and still have to) learn how to get better, and yes, I didn't do that just for the sake of being good at pvp (done it even for such silly things, as liking the "War Hero" title and gear on my old guardian). But I've come to actually like pvp'ing like I enjoy raiding aswell and I'd do like more people joining into doing it, so they can share all the fun experiences that "lay within" this game-mode. But I guess I just have to hope that the dear Bioware will skip their reading of motivational theory about half a century further ahead and realise that (enduring) motivation is created by actual rewards for doing, rather than the lure of unrealistic achievements, so we can get a actually stable pvp enviroment on the non-pvp servers aswell, while we wait for "cross-server queing"

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JediMasterSLC
04.22.2014 , 10:58 AM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by idnewton View Post
Wait, what? Good luck faking, er, I mean finding that quote.
Do you honestly think they didn't promise that? Not only did they say it at the guild summit, but it was literally in the PvP window when 8v8 ranked first came out.

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Twin
04.22.2014 , 11:01 AM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by idnewton View Post
Wait, what? Good luck faking, er, I mean finding that quote.
lol, try again.
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04.22.2014 , 11:02 AM | #149
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
That was not the only issue. They lost a TON of players by removing 8v8 ranked, not offering any compensation for players that transferred, and going from some pretty substantial barriers, to no barriers at all.

Here us something I wish Alex would try. Call it a test run. Announce you are putting 8v8 ranked as team and solo, and put some of those suggested mounts in the sticky thread as reward for meeting certain benchmarks in wins/damage/pro/heal, as a reward while we are waiting for S2 to commence. The only stipulation is needing to have 1900EXP and fully augmented. I can all but gurantee the Que pops will cut in half.
Aye, i completly agree. I was only replying to the question 'Why are we complaining when ranked isn't firing' - to which i think every PvPer in this game is entitled to complain about for any reason, at any time =P
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04.22.2014 , 11:03 AM | #150
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
Do you honestly think they didn't promise that? Not only did they say it at the guild summit, but it was literally in the PvP window when 8v8 ranked first came out.
It was also on this very site when you read about the coming "Ranked Warzones"....might even be there still, not sure =)
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