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Ninja looting now acceptable?


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ChrisRedmond
04.17.2014 , 09:45 AM | #1
Doing a FP the other night and someone ninja loots. I believe it was 'for Jaessa'.

I intiate vote kick to be met with derisory remarks oike 'who cares', 'lol' etc.

No one seemed to mind that this guy was a ninja, is it now an accepted part of the game or have I missed something?
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Asheris
04.17.2014 , 09:50 AM | #2
Here we go again...it's an unwritten rule that you need only for yourself. Unwritten - so 30% of the players have no knowleadge of it and/or are selfish *****s. You can as well roll a need for a companion as it is as vital to your gameplay as your own equipment.

Taking things for granted isn't enough, if you want rules state them before you start the FP.

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cxten
04.17.2014 , 10:04 AM | #3
Lowbie flashpoints: I haven't noticed any real difference here. It's mostly the same: occasional newbs who don't know any better, and occasional jerks who do.

Level 50/55 flashpoints: With the xp weekends, I've leveled a couple new characters recently and run these and there does seem to be more of an atmosphere of "the sort of gear you get in a fp is easy to get, so you can't possibly actually need this, so I'll just grab it for my companion / because I can" than there used to.

It's the same with random drops in story mode ops, tons of people needing on them just because they can (no matter what the loot rules were stated to be), and it's often let slide because people don't have a high opinion of the gear.

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While I do think it's poor behavior, I have a hard time getting all that worked up about it, precisely because the gear isn't that important. Also, if you speak up and say you do actually need the gear, the people in the 55 fp/op who randomly needed just because are often happy to hand it off (some of them are probably just needing because others are).

For example:

I had just leveled a juggernaut and on one of my first 55 HM's on that toon a black market mk-2 shield dropped, and someone else got it but then handed it off to me after I commented that my character did actually need it.

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MaximusRex
04.17.2014 , 10:38 AM | #4
Ninja Looting in modern MMOs means "Someone won the roll on the loot I wanted".

If I was a MMO Dev I'd just go the route Turbine went with LOTRO, just autoassign everyone loot, it certainly got rid of the entitled people crying about other entitled people with better dice.

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RahalLexor
04.17.2014 , 11:08 AM | #5
Ninja looting in flashpoints I don't think is a big deal as the armor you can get with commendations. I was in a group for a 16M TC HM awhile ago. The Op Leader kept it on Free for all until the boss was at 3% HP then switched it to master loot and went offline. For a few minutes we said oh it was just a disconnect and we waited. Well... We waited long enough and he didn't come back online. I added him to my list and a few hours later he came back online. I asked him why he did it and the response I got was "There is nothing you can do about it now" and got an instant ignore. What made it worse was the group I was with was having trouble interrupting (pug groups lol) on the third try we finally downed him to have a underworld mainhand and a chestpiece looted on us. That was the time I had ever been ninja looted in this game.
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Duniss
04.17.2014 , 05:08 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by RahalLexor View Post
Ninja looting in flashpoints I don't think is a big deal as the armor you can get with commendations. I was in a group for a 16M TC HM awhile ago. The Op Leader kept it on Free for all until the boss was at 3% HP then switched it to master loot and went offline. For a few minutes we said oh it was just a disconnect and we waited. Well... We waited long enough and he didn't come back online. I added him to my list and a few hours later he came back online. I asked him why he did it and the response I got was "There is nothing you can do about it now" and got an instant ignore. What made it worse was the group I was with was having trouble interrupting (pug groups lol) on the third try we finally downed him to have a underworld mainhand and a chestpiece looted on us. That was the time I had ever been ninja looted in this game.
well can you do that I mean you didnt stay in group so group disbands and you cant enter TC whiout being in raid group dosent that means loot got wasted... and you can do something about it report him

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SW_display_name
04.17.2014 , 05:19 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximusRex View Post
Ninja Looting in modern MMOs means "Someone won the roll on the loot I wanted".
Basically this, similar to how "troll" now means "someone arguing with me" and "literally" now means "not literally".

Unless you discuss loot rules beforehand, you should assume in a PUG that the only thing protecting your loot is the in-game limits on what people can request.

BioWare allows people to request anything that drops.

Therefore, nothing is safe if you group in a random PUG and don't communicate desired loot rules beforehand.

It's nice that the community works out certain implicit rules of etiquette, since it helps everyone gear up smoother, but just because you've learned those rules does not mean anyone else has, nor that everyone agrees with those rules.

Further, there's supposedly a direct response from BW ages ago stating that they view Need for Companion as a legitimate loot roll.

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Khevar
04.17.2014 , 06:03 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by SW_display_name View Post
Further, there's supposedly a direct response from BW ages ago stating that they view Need for Companion as a legitimate loot roll.
Are you sure? I've never seen anything like that. I have seen this from Damion:
Quote: Originally Posted by DamionSchubert View Post
Need vs. greed isn't as simple in our game because of companions, as well as Orange Gear and mod extraction.

We will probably limit the 'need' button to only people who match the primary class the gear is meant for, and add a new button in between need and greed for players to choose if they intend the gear for these purposes - this will allow CC users to roll against each other without competing with the guy who wants to sell the gear for credits.

I don't have a timeline on this for you guys right now, though - certainly not in the next major patch. In the meantime, I strongly recommend that players who care clearly decide the expected need/greed role behaviors ('no companion need rolling or you're out!') when a group is initially formed. In the meantime, I'll work on getting this feature in the works.
It sounds like he considered Need is most appropriate for the player matching the primary class the gear is meant for.

Personally, I like to look at from this perspective:

1. Everyone in the group has companions, everyone can make money vendoring it, or ripping the mods, or whatever.
2. Everyone should get an even and fair chance at the loot, by rolling Greed.
3. The one exception is that player that would obtain a direct main-toon upgrade.
4. We give the player that loot drop by pressing Greeding or Pass while he/she presses Need.

Not that I condone messy, argumentative fusses about loot. It seems so silly to me -- gear is easy to obtain. My main approach to avoiding drama is for me personally is to always roll greed all the time everywhere -- no drama.

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SW_display_name
04.17.2014 , 06:32 PM | #9
TY for that @Khevar.

I used "supposedly" since I've never seen the quote myself, but it's been referenced a few times by people in other Loot Drama threads.

That quote kind of directly contradicts that claim, though, so the quote-of-a-quote-a-quote syndrome may have transmuted it into something far different from its original meaning.

So in that case, that's actually a much bigger step in a positive direction, indicating some degree of dev agreement with evolved loot etiquette.

On the other hand it was being "planned" 2 years ago.

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harleyandsmokey
04.17.2014 , 06:43 PM | #10
In FP's I only get gear for my comp if on that particular roll no one needs it. I ask if I could use it for my comp. There's an easy solution to everything.
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