Devs at the latest cantina: Class Story, not at the moment...

lol, yep.

Look , I thought Makeb was fine. But, it was no different than any other planetary arc that we'd see before. I'm good with that. It was fun to play through. I'm not arguing against this kind of thing. There had better be some sort of story for any planet that gets introduced. That's what they've conditioned us to expect. But, now that I sit on the Dark Council or whatever, I'm doing the same cruddy scrub missions that I did before. Eventually, they need to show me WHY it was so important for me to take that seat.

Wow, strawman followed by another strawman.


1) Given the people who left over a lack of continuing story and the people who continue to call for class story today, not to mention class story has been asked about in almost every single cantina tour save one (and even that was the double event done in Germany, and in while it wasn't asked in one session, it was asked in the other), there is no evidence for you to claim this would be a minority, especially since story forms the basis of the game and was its chief selling point.

2) If people left because of lack of story, it is only logical that they might come back if there is more story to do, and stay if they are continually given story.

3) Your other strawman - NOWHERE did I say the "in between" quests would be sub only - only that they would help retain subs or get back subs who are here FOR the story. In fact, I would want the in between quests to be free for everyone - they would make a great advertisement on their own merits for people to buy the next planet expansion pack to see where the story goes.

EXACTLY, or else show what exactly you are DOING with that Seat now that you have it, other than the same grunt work as always.

You know, honestly, that would probably be good enough class content for me, too. All they have to do, if they plan it right, is plug in some different dialogue to the same cutscenes. More or less. That just another option for telling a story.

Darth Marr was known to take an active role during the fighting, at the time the Sith Empire "reintroduced" itself to the known Galaxy.

Darth Decimus lead the conquest of Corellia. Darth Hadra and Acheron soon followed him, after the initial uprising was quelled. Darth Arho, who replaced Darth Baras, oversaw operations on Ilum.

It's not exactly unseen or unheard of having a Dark Council member taking a more active role in whatever pursuit is necessary, to achieve the Empire's goals.

Precisely. But it has to be well done.

At the same time, what I am a really big advocate of is the devs picking a class, seeing where their story was at the end of level 50, and then taking that as the jumping point for a new planet and faction that is centralized around one profession, but where all get to help and assist, because it still affects them in some way and causes all their interests to line up. Then pick a different class for the next planet and let them be the focus, and then just keep rotating classes so everyone gets a turn - kind of like how Avengers still had everybody but it had a slight Iron Man showcase to it.

But not necessary. Didn't every bounty hunter in the galaxy get contracted to save Makeb? (Or something like that, since I haven't made it to Makeb with my bh, yet.)

Your Inquisitor is the Council Member in charge of the Mystic and the Arcane. What part of that description reads "Makeb"?



Personally, I would have made an inquisitor only optional quest for the final quest, where once in the Archon's lair, you also break into his vault to retrieve a rare Sith Holocron. That, plus an additional cutscene after taking Marr up on his Makeb offer where you explain to your crew that you're there really for the Holocron would have MUCH better explained WHY you were there.

I see you're returning to your old self. So be it.

You forget to mention the people who left a couple of months shortly after the game was released, who didn't even finish half the class stories. They're also an important factor as to the "WHY" these stories are in limbo, whether people, like you, acknowledge it or not.

And I ask again: What about those who left, without even finishing half of them? What do you have to say to Bioware, in this regard? Just ignore it entirely, on your say so?

That's what you've FAILED to understand.

As it is now, class stories are available free of charge. If Bioware is to release new content, similar to Makeb, they'll most likely charge for it, like they did with RoTHC. You propose they "infuse" class story bits in these class-neutral stories...

In other words, like I suggested previously, you'd be effectively LOCKING OUT people who have NO interest whatsoever in dropping a dime on this game, other than completing a couple of class stories or so and move on.

How does that make any sense?

I'm curious, then. If you were so clear on what I was saying, why even bring up "class story will be 12.5% of the complexity/length of faction stories" or "it will require a 400% spike in revenue", which clearly have no relevance to my posts? Or many others' posts, for that matter.

I'm not saying they have to or even should work on class-related content, only that I would like them to. As to the first paragraph - the point is simply "Bioware isn't (as far as we know) working on X right now therefore they don't plan to/can't" doesn't seem to hold weight, in a good way.

So? Their original plan was not to go F2P, but they did anyway because circumstances called for it.

If enough people are interested in class story/class content, then why wouldn't Bioware at least consider it? Again, as long as people are reasonable in requesting content they want, then I still fail to see why there are people in this topic trying to shut them up. Bioware clearly does listen to suggestions (legacy bank, player housing, cartel market stuff too), so it behooves players that want a particular form of content to let Bioware know. The moment Bioware stops hearing "I want class story" is far more likely to be the moment any hope actually ends than some moment two years ago after the final bit of class story from 1-50 was written.

So what's the problem with people stating they want that prioritization to change? It'd be one thing if these threads contained people threatening Bioware's employees with physical violence or throwing slurs around at people that preferred PvP, but a thread stating "I would like more class story because..." is both inoffensive and constructive. If it can't be done right now, it can't be done, but the poster(s) can have their voice heard.

Having had experience in supporting a software development team in a large corporation, I'm actually well aware of what goes into a lot of the business planning, thanks.

My point is that a lot of your assumptions are not based on any tangible facts or specific understanding of Bioware budgeting. There's no particularly good reason to assume that the budget spent on, say, player housing is going to be static from this point going forward. Nor is there any good reason to assume the same about many other aspects of the game. I have no idea where "if they had resources to do it, they would do it, since they aren't, they clearly don't have the resources and won't have the resources in the future" comes from.

That isn't to say they will definitely be able to allocate any necessary resources, just that there's no reason to assume they can't. They were obviously able to find the budget for additional projects already, after all.

Minor example from the story side - Alexander Freed is a freelance writer now, and they brought him back to pen the upcoming arc. (And I am thankful for that, since i'd much rather it was in his hands)

Because while the quality of Bioware's writing overall tends to be extremely inconsistent, I generally feel more attachment to aspects of the story that are specific to each character than generic elements, particularly ones that are repetitive and lack flavor (like Oricon, for example). Hence why I don't need full-fledged stories - although I would not mind them - what I want is to experience a story on my trooper that isn't exactly like the one I just completed on my knight (it's also why I really enjoy the companions) - if I wanted one standard story per faction, I would have stuck with WOW and never returned to TOR.