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So, should I just keep at it or give up?

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So, should I just keep at it or give up?

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Devrius
03.22.2014 , 01:04 PM | #1
With no brackets, no PvE to "train" is there any hope of me ever getting good at GSF?

I started playing GSF a week ago, checked all the guides, tried different weapons gotten a few ships (the T2 scouts and the mine layer bomber), gotten the right components (that I'm very slowly upgrading) and only missing one optimal crew member per faction... And I've come to a realisation, I'm not even slightly better then I was before.

Every death match comes down to how many fully upgraded, fully crewed ships are on each side, how many aces and how fast newbs are spotted and farmed (the average team has 25%+ newbs, many which I see in one match, theyswear never to play GSF and I never see again).

Dominion is won in the first 3 minutes by gunship sniping and bombers hugging the one node that is inside a difficult to navigate structure.


There is literally no way to gain experience in piloting, you either get creamed early and continue to get creamed until the end (by which point the few good pilots on your team have left the match) or you win big and get a few scraps from your team's aces in the form of damage to fleeing ships or kills by the way of missiles to depleted engine enemies.

My 1st 20 matches where basically me getting one shot by people in the same ship I was piloting (not even with overcharged, just one shot by lasers), then eventually they had a harder time killing me and I got to kill some of them, was I getting better? Nope, I just had enough gear to look less silly and more importantly in said matches better team mates that watched my six...


I have 115 matches played, will things ever get better or did I miss the boat with GSF? because I'm getting the feeling that unless you started playing since Beta, GSF is a closed community with no way to join in the fun.

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TrinityLyre
03.22.2014 , 01:22 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Devrius View Post
With no brackets, no PvE to "train" is there any hope of me ever getting good at GSF?
It's hard, certainly. I think, if you're willing to group up with some of the better pilots you could find yourself doing well supporting them and learning from them. Having a few skilled players on your team would also give you more support and opportunities to learn (since you'll be dying less), especially if you ask questions in a voice server like Mumble, Teamspeak or Ventrilo. In my guide I listed some helper pilots out (biggest thanks to Animal-mutha for coming up with the initial list) on each server and some other resources that might help you further.

Quote: Originally Posted by Devrius View Post
Every death match comes down to how many fully upgraded, fully crewed ships are on each side, how many aces and how fast newbs are spotted and farmed (the average team has 25%+ newbs, many which I see in one match, theyswear never to play GSF and I never see again).
Which is why I tried to make a guide to help newer/intermediate players or those with the drive to just keep at it and take the punches. Many games I forego the newbie farming and chase after veterans, I think it's generally a more fun experience (I'm not really a fan of 'farm' games like Diablo). I like having a larger community with a wider variance of player skill and personalities. I'm sure many others are willing to help out to get more players involved in GSF (can you really say that about many of the ground PvP communities?). It is definitely a team game.

Quote: Originally Posted by Devrius View Post
There is literally no way to gain experience in piloting, you either get creamed early and continue to get creamed until the end (by which point the few good pilots on your team have left the match) or you win big and get a few scraps from your team's aces in the form of damage to fleeing ships or kills by the way of missiles to depleted engine enemies.
I actually think having a veteran flying your wing would help you more than you might think. It's easier for them to see where you're making mistakes or what you should focus on if they're playing with and talking to you instead of just ramming missiles and lasers down your throat. I've met plenty of players who started recently and are definitely skilled veterans by now. I guess it really depends on how far you're willing to go (and/or suffer?) to improve your gameplay.
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Kalphitis
03.22.2014 , 01:24 PM | #3
If you've played over 100 matches, you should have noticed yourself getting better. I believe most people notice drastic improvements over their first 100 matches.

I would say that you probably are getting better, you just don't realize it.

Keep at it -- and remember it's not about winning or losing -- just try to have fun with it. And pay no attention to the starfighter 'records' that Bioware added....absolutely nobody who understands the game cares about how many games you've won/lost, or what your damage ratio is.

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Devrius
03.22.2014 , 01:42 PM | #4
Last match (which we lost) I went 1/7/3 20 440 damage, which now that I think about it is way up from when I started (something like 0/6/5 2 000 damage). I think it just feels like I haven't improved because even when I play decent enough I'm still getting shot down by far superior pilots (there are quite a few I can literally never shake if they are on my six).

I think I'll just keep at it, I have read your guide over and over, pretty sure I would have given up after the second day if I hadn't looked up your builds and components.

One thing though "Retro Thrusters" is definitely not new player friendly, it's by far the worse engine to have for a new players XD

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Verain
03.22.2014 , 01:58 PM | #5
If you are averaging less than a thousand damage, something is very wrong. You are presumably not aiming at the target.


Ask yourself:

"Am I flying in a straight line in an area where enemies could target me?"
"Is the enemy taking damage from my shots? Is he in range or out of range? Can I adjust to make the shots hit?"
"Am I making sure to "target enemy under cursor" and then firing at his advance reticule"

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TrinityLyre
03.22.2014 , 02:27 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Devrius View Post
Last match (which we lost) I went 1/7/3 20 440 damage, which now that I think about it is way up from when I started (something like 0/6/5 2 000 damage). I think it just feels like I haven't improved because even when I play decent enough I'm still getting shot down by far superior pilots (there are quite a few I can literally never shake if they are on my six).
You won't be better than every pilot after 100 games. Some veterans have played thousands of games so it's an unfair expectation to think you'll be able to defeat them when they've had so much practice. It is, however, reasonable to try surviving against a veteran's attacks and using that as a way to improve your play. Good pilots don't let enemies get easy kills often. Maybe ask those superior pilots you're fighting what you can do to shake them or what you're not doing that makes you such an easy kill for them?


Quote: Originally Posted by Devrius View Post
One thing though "Retro Thrusters" is definitely not new player friendly, it's by far the worse engine to have for a new players XD
For sure, I didn't list it thinking it would be a great choice for newbies. Some of the guide definitely makes assumptions about having played a bit and thus not really being a true "newbie." Retro Thrusters definitely take practice (it took me a long while to get used to it) but they have a huge payoff in that you can do quite a few things with it that give you the upper hand and that other engines don't allow you to do.
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TheRampage
03.22.2014 , 03:01 PM | #7
Don't be stupid and you will do just fine. We can't all be Scrab

Play smart, play for objectives. That is priority. We all sucked after 100 matches. Hell, I tought I'll never hit anything other then with my GS (ok, some are great at start, but ignore that), I was terrible on scouts and strikers, now it doesn't matter, I'll top the damage charts in every ship (unless Scrab is playing with/against me, he is just too good ). You will get better.

Just, please, don't be one of this guys. Knoy your limits. Stick to players you noticed as good, and help them taking stuff down, guard satelites, if you are scout push GS away etc etc etc. You don't need to be Maverick
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DamascusAdontise
03.22.2014 , 03:04 PM | #8
Keep at it, I started in December and have gotten much better since the early days. Part of the issue is gearing up, and the other part of the issue is knowing how to play to the strengths of your ship / build.

This is still a learning process for me even at this point, just recently got the strike fighter down pat, used to hate it now im able to engage / kill / evade and most importantly deal with the minefields I cant in my scout. Many of the things you learn are not obvious and cannot be taught (quickly at least)

These are things you need to find out by playing lots of matches, being in different situations etc.

The biggest single difference anything made for my playstyle was finding a group of friends. At first they helped to clean up the battlefield so I could survive long enough to learn how to fight. After that it was watching them and learning the various techniques. Asking questions as stupid as it sounds was a huge difference maker as well.

The biggest mistake people make is not trying to find a group of veterans to fly with. These people can make you a better pilot through advice and example. That being said we need more pilots not less =) so keep at it and before long you will be owning the starways =)
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QuinMantha
03.22.2014 , 04:51 PM | #9
Keep at it. It sounds like you're flying a rough server, but everyone has the potential to be a good pilot.

I think what could help you is picking what time you play. Playing prime time is probably going to run you up against some nasty ace pilots...however, playing way late, or way early could even the playing field, allowing you to get more requisition more easily. Be the big fish in the small pond first, then try to knock those aces' teeth out.

Or, yes, talk to the pilots whose skills you respect! Ask them for pointers, ship builds, or even to fly on their wing. Really decent aces, like the folks you find on Ebon Hawk, will gladly share their knowledge and time with you.
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KJOhio
03.22.2014 , 07:46 PM | #10
Don't lose heart. I sucked in my first 50 games or so. Then I started to learn tactics, got points to upgrade my ships and crew. Now after 700+ matches, I am decent player and help my team. Remember the game is not for the personal glory - it is teamwork. So, if I don't get highest kills, that does not mean I did bad as long as my team won.

Be patient and don't be discouraged by losses.