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Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

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Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

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Silenceo
03.25.2014 , 02:05 PM | #591
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
It came from a random thought that crossed my mind and I felt the need to share?

It hadn't been mentioned before, so I mentioned it.

Other than that is there a reason for your outrage? And did I say AE counter intelligence > DS underworld? This is a simply early warning system for the AE for tracking fleet movements, I fail to see what the issue is here.
Wasn't referring to that Beni, I was referring to StarSquirrel in his big long reply where he kept mention *AE Counter Intelligence > Underworld*

The signal ships are perfectly plausible and an all around good idea.

Edit: Whenever I try and quote what someone said inside a quote so they could easily respond to it, I tend to have issues with the color so it is harder to tell apart who said what. The post I mean is post 576.
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Beniboybling
03.25.2014 , 02:39 PM | #592
Quote: Originally Posted by Silenceo View Post
Wasn't referring to that Beni, I was referring to StarSquirrel in his big long reply where he kept mention *AE Counter Intelligence > Underworld*

The signal ships are perfectly plausible and an all around good idea.

Edit: Whenever I try and quote what someone said inside a quote so they could easily respond to it, I tend to have issues with the color so it is harder to tell apart who said what. The post I mean is post 576.
OK, my bad. I figured as much.

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Beniboybling
03.25.2014 , 03:09 PM | #593
Quote: Originally Posted by Silenceo View Post
Edit: To counter the all clear signals it is possible that they could be boarded before the alarm could be raised. Likely boarded by Gonzoti ships due to their speed and size, and they likely would be acting as scouts for the rest of the fleet. Also, where would these vessels be taken from?
That seems unlikely, considering its a button push away.

Anyway I suspect they'd use a squad of TIE scouts as they are both capable of long-range communication and equipped with hyperdrives. They may be dropped off with a squad of TIE fighters or two for protection.

The Scout is pretty slow though, so I expect some of the Supremacy's faster vessels such as the Gozanti's could chase it down. Or they could deploy some patrol craft/starfighters to head it off then catch it in the tractor beam.

I only suggest capture because then they could reestablish the signal and pretend their was a blip or something. However this would be difficult, even though they are slow it won't take them long to jump to hyperspace.

EDIT: Though it is probable that they'll send scouts ahead of the main force, but they'll still be detected.

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tunewalker
03.25.2014 , 04:26 PM | #594
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Yeah as before all I'm saying is that the tech rule doesn't apply, so we go straight to a direct ship-to-ship comparison.
Ya I get what you are saying here, but thats if we are comparing it in the GCW era if we wanted the DS to have what we are saying they are having then it would be in the Legacy Era. At which point we are taking them being archaic by comparison to the Pellaeon which was the Imp duec of its time. It should be noted the Pellaeon I think is being underestimated here in terms of firepower.

"The class had slightly more armament than the older Imperial II-class Star Destroyer.[3] Some of these guns were of a similar design to the XX-9 turbolaser batteries of the old Galactic Empire.[7] The Pellaeon-class also possessed an interdiction field, capable of pulling ships out of hyperspace.[4]"

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Heavy turbolaser batteries (50)[3]
Medium turbolaser batteries (50)[3]
Ion cannon batteries (40)[3]
Tractor beam projectors (20)[1]
Proton torpedo launchers (50)[3]
200 proton torpedoes[1]
Dont forget the Ion cannons or the Proton Torps.

They also had defensive capabilities more like the Mon Cal ships of its time and while I believe a direct comparison would be able if the DS didnt have the MC80 with the MC80 we have to compare them to the Imp of their time and upgrade the Imp Deuces and the like to be more in line with the ships of the time.


Also would like to note that the GA at that time was similar to the rebellion when it came to ship use, just about anything they got their hands on was a ship they tried to use. They were once again converting standard transport ships into warships as best they can, but they were never a substitute for actual warships.

If the DS doesnt have the 1 MC80 then we can do a direct comparison with all ships because simply put, you are right while they are "archaic" its design that makes them archaic when comparison to the ships sitting right next to them. No upgrade no down grade direct to direct for easy comparison of all ships.

Honestly I would prefer to avoid the messy era stuff and just say no MC80 makes it easier to compare and I highly doubt the 1 MC80 really helps the DS any way considering the Era in which they got it.

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ShadowMudkip
03.25.2014 , 04:35 PM | #595
I think its about time to call it. I don't see any arguments that could possibly come up at this point.
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Beniboybling
03.25.2014 , 04:49 PM | #596
Quote: Originally Posted by tunewalker View Post
Ya I get what you are saying here, but thats if we are comparing it in the GCW era if we wanted the DS to have what we are saying they are having then it would be in the Legacy Era. At which point we are taking them being archaic by comparison to the Pellaeon which was the Imp duec of its time. It should be noted the Pellaeon I think is being underestimated here in terms of firepower.

"The class had slightly more armament than the older Imperial II-class Star Destroyer.[3] Some of these guns were of a similar design to the XX-9 turbolaser batteries of the old Galactic Empire.[7] The Pellaeon-class also possessed an interdiction field, capable of pulling ships out of hyperspace.[4]"

ent
Heavy turbolaser batteries (50)[3]
Medium turbolaser batteries (50)[3]
Ion cannon batteries (40)[3]
Tractor beam projectors (20)[1]
Proton torpedo launchers (50)[3]
200 proton torpedoes[1]
Dont forget the Ion cannons or the Proton Torps.

They also had defensive capabilities more like the Mon Cal ships of its time and while I believe a direct comparison would be able if the DS didnt have the MC80 with the MC80 we have to compare them to the Imp of their time and upgrade the Imp Deuces and the like to be more in line with the ships of the time.


Also would like to note that the GA at that time was similar to the rebellion when it came to ship use, just about anything they got their hands on was a ship they tried to use. They were once again converting standard transport ships into warships as best they can, but they were never a substitute for actual warships.

If the DS doesnt have the 1 MC80 then we can do a direct comparison with all ships because simply put, you are right while they are "archaic" its design that makes them archaic when comparison to the ships sitting right next to them. No upgrade no down grade direct to direct for easy comparison of all ships.

Honestly I would prefer to avoid the messy era stuff and just say no MC80 makes it easier to compare and I highly doubt the 1 MC80 really helps the DS any way considering the Era in which they got it.
Yeah OK, that seems reasonable.

Anyway if your interested here are the (updated) rough naval breakdowns.

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tunewalker
03.25.2014 , 04:53 PM | #597
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Yeah OK, that seems reasonable.

Anyway if your interested here are the (updated) rough naval breakdowns.
2 Things 1 What is a Imperial Communication ship? and 2 Which fleet had Imp 1's I thought both fleets used Imp Dueces exclusively at the time.

After that I will get my break down with out the MC80 (since it sounds like in that post that you included the MC80 in the calcs but no MC80 is listed in the list of ships that the DS has in the spoilers so.... one of these things is not like the other......

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Beniboybling
03.25.2014 , 04:55 PM | #598
Quote: Originally Posted by tunewalker View Post
2 Things 1 What is a Imperial Communication ship? and 2 Which fleet had Imp 1's I thought both fleets used Imp Dueces exclusively at the time.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pride_of_Tarlandia

That is what I assumed but after checking the facts it seems they mainly used ISDs and only had a few ISD-IIs.

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tunewalker
03.25.2014 , 04:58 PM | #599
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pride_of_Tarlandia

That is what I assumed but after checking the facts it seems they mainly used ISDs and only had a few ISD-IIs.
Where did you find that info might I ask, I kind of want to know more on this myself, and how did you compare the weapons was it just assumed that its weapons were on par with the Imp 1 or the Imp 2?

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Beniboybling
03.25.2014 , 05:01 PM | #600
Quote: Originally Posted by tunewalker View Post
Where did you find that info might I ask, I kind of want to know more on this myself, and how did you compare the weapons was it just assumed that its weapons were on par with the Imp 1 or the Imp 2?
From the Wookiee pages on Thrawn's Fleet and the ships present at the Battle of Endor i.e. Death Squadron at its height. As for the communications ship as it says in the linked post I left it out because we lack information.