Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

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Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

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Selenial

03.25.2014 , 11:42 AM \| #581	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling Yeah I misread the stats, the MC80 has 48 turbolaser batteries and the Pellaeon-class has 50 turbolaser batteries but also 50 medium turbolaser batteries. So twice the armament. That said despite being a century old it was still in use not only by the Black Sun but also the Galactic Alliance Remnant so I doubt they were totally outclassed. We also have to consider their highly advanced shields. The Venator's on the other hand were acquired by the Black Sun during the reign of the Galactic Empire. And considering that the ISD and the Venator were designed around roughly the same time, no changes there. Aside from that good points. Uhh, thought I'd say, the Black Sun acquired the Venators towards the end of the GCW. Thus, they were almost considered Archaic. Moffs still used them for private fleets, but they really couldn't compare to the newer vessels, 1v1.
We all live or die as Krayt wills, Stryfe. At his word, I would cut out my own heart. Or yours.

Beniboybling

03.25.2014 , 11:45 AM \| #582	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial Uhh, thought I'd say, the Black Sun acquired the Venators towards the end of the GCW. Thus, they were almost considered Archaic. Moffs still used them for private fleets, but they really couldn't compare to the newer vessels, 1v1. I think it was before that... but yeah that's all the Galactic Empire period. Which is reflected by their actual armor and armament, so we needn't make changes. They were outclassed and archaic in comparison to the very vessels that are taking part in this Kaggath i.e. the ISDs. EDIT: That said, for a warship designed in the same year calling it "archaic" in comparison is certainly a stretch. A better model perhaps but the Venator is still competitive with the ISD-I in terms of firepower and had a larger fighter capacity - the ISDs simply adhered more effectively to the Tarkin Doctrine and distanced the Empire from the Republic.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Selenial

03.25.2014 , 12:33 PM \| #583	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling I think it was before that... but yeah that's all the Galactic Empire period. Which is reflected by their actual armor and armament, so we needn't make changes. They were outclassed and archaic in comparison to the very vessels that are taking part in this Kaggath i.e. the ISDs. EDIT: That said, for a warship designed in the same year calling it "archaic" in comparison is certainly a stretch. A better model perhaps but the Venator is still competitive with the ISD-I in terms of firepower and had a larger fighter capacity - the ISDs simply adhered more effectively to the Tarkin Doctrine and distanced the Empire from the Republic. Calling them Archaic in terms of the IDS-1 is a little foolish yes, but by the end of the Empire, both ships were pretty much done. That's what I meant.
We all live or die as Krayt wills, Stryfe. At his word, I would cut out my own heart. Or yours.

Beniboybling

03.25.2014 , 12:44 PM \| #584	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial Calling them Archaic in terms of the IDS-1 is a little foolish yes, but by the end of the Empire, both ships were pretty much done. That's what I meant. Yeah as before all I'm saying is that the tech rule doesn't apply, so we go straight to a direct ship-to-ship comparison.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

ShadowMudkip

03.25.2014 , 01:09 PM \| #585	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling I agree with the overall argument though. I expect that they could capably take down or at least rout the small forces protecting each planet, but once the fleet regroups they will likely lose, and with the Executor its pretty impossible.Wow, that teacher must have been a real douche. I admit that made me laugh
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StarSquirrel

03.25.2014 , 01:19 PM \| #586	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by ShadowMudkip I admit that made me laugh Yeah me too And Beni, he was. Still you have to admit, the idea of Mon Mothma turning herself over to die because evil people threaten to kill civilians is pretty humorous. I mean, if that was all it took she'd have given herself up fifteen minutes into the Rebellion.
I know if you look deep into your heart- which is currently all over that tree- you'll find a way to forgive me. Aww, geez you look like a puppy! A blonde, eviscerated puppy! -Alucard

Silenceo

03.25.2014 , 01:34 PM \| #587	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by StarSquirrel Yeah me too And Beni, he was. Still you have to admit, the idea of Mon Mothma turning herself over to die because evil people threaten to kill civilians is pretty humorous. I mean, if that was all it took she'd have given herself up fifteen minutes into the Rebellion. sigh guess you didn't catch all the jokes then...Every topic in that last post had at least one joke in it usually near its end. such as mind tricking the galaxy to forget about Order 66
"What I unveil today will mark a new era for the Empire. We will be able to decimate the Rebels just as we did the Jedi Knights. At last the Emperor's war will be filled only with the glory and beauty of decisive victory."―Rom Mohc Never force a droid to think without numbers...

Beniboybling

03.25.2014 , 01:45 PM \| #588	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by StarSquirrel Yeah me too And Beni, he was. Still you have to admit, the idea of Mon Mothma turning herself over to die because evil people threaten to kill civilians is pretty humorous. I mean, if that was all it took she'd have given herself up fifteen minutes into the Rebellion. Is it? If G0-T0 threatens to committ mass genocide and there is no way Mothma can stop him other than give herself up, is it not her moral imperative to do so? Would she really just let them die to save her own skin? Its really a question though if G0-T0 could actually hold a planet ransom. Anyway, on an unrelated note something just crossed my mind: If G0-T0 can track the movements of the Executor is it not feasible that the Ascending Empire could establish there own form of early warning system? For example station a number of patrol craft on various routes/intersections in the Core, if a craft is intercepted it can report to central command the presence of an enemy fleet, and even if its destroyed if they have it transmitting a constant "all clear" signal they'll know something is up either way - allowing them to predict which planet will be attacked hours before it happens and coordinate their forces accordingly. I just thought I should share this because I'm not sure if its something commonly done or actually possible. And to see if anyone can provide some feasible counter argument to this strategy which would hamper G0-T0s attack strategy.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Silenceo

03.25.2014 , 01:58 PM \| #589	Quote
I do question the references to the AE counter-intellegence> DS underworld. First off...Where the hell did that come from? I have yet to see it mentioned until now. It may have been in Mon Mothma's faction in cannon, but I see no indications that it would be here now. Not only that, but I feel that the Underworld is being severely underestimated. Saying they are so incompetent that they can't track a single slow moving vessel that fills up the sky of any planet it is stationed over? Serious? As for the Sabotage, when was the underworld truly at WAR with the legitimate governments that it was working around? Sure they get arrested and are chased by the officers of its law, but they are rarely ever at war with them, actual war, not just the war of their every day criminal life. A crime syndicate as expansive and powerful as the Exchange if thrust into such a conflict I have no doubt they would be able to muck up plenty of things on the AE worlds to work in their favor. They have NO reason to support the AE whatsoever. Credits? Got them. Morality? You must be joking. Threatened? Please, they are threatened daily already. Profit from the war? They already are profiting, from the DS stealing everything that leaves the AE planets with their raiding parties. I find it laughable at the concept that the Exchange would just roll over for the AE when they have such a lucrative working arrangement with GO-TO already, who is a HIGH ranking Exchange member and established Crime Lord. I am not saying they are completely trustworthy, but they surely are not going to easily stab GO-TO in the back to help the AE as you seem to suggest. Edit: To counter the all clear signals it is possible that they could be boarded before the alarm could be raised. Likely boarded by Gonzoti ships due to their speed and size, and they likely would be acting as scouts for the rest of the fleet. Also, where would these vessels be taken from? Side Note: And yes, Victory star destroyers ARE limited. The AE seems to start with 1. As well as the fact they start with 1 Immobilizer. I highly doubt more of those could be made in the amount you seem to think by the time that the DS has launched its offensive.
"What I unveil today will mark a new era for the Empire. We will be able to decimate the Rebels just as we did the Jedi Knights. At last the Emperor's war will be filled only with the glory and beauty of decisive victory."―Rom Mohc Never force a droid to think without numbers...

Beniboybling

03.25.2014 , 02:04 PM \| #590	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Silenceo I do question the references to the AE counter-intellegence> DS underworld. First off...Where the hell did that come from? I have yet to see it mentioned until now. It may have been in Mon Mothma's faction in cannon, but I see no indications that it would be here now. EDIT: Actually I'm just confused in general to what your referring to, try quoting?
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

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