Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

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Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

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Beniboybling

03.17.2014 , 05:11 PM \| #391	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride So wait, are we using real, unnerfed numbers for the AE? This just keeps getting better and better. I get 200 out of 7,000, nobody care about the Venators or the MC80s, and the Black Sun Fleet is reduced to only Interceptor-class frigates due to in-game mechanics. But let's give the AE fleets 40 Star Destroyers and 10 frigates. Oh, and a virtual superweapon. I was actually being generous. Thrawn's fleet has no Victory-class, either. And it's "picket ships" are pathetic. I think I'm going to go back into spectator mode and watch the DS get crushed in space due to nerfs and technicalities of rules that are completely subjective. Err, I mean like ratios. We can take however many of X for example Tarkin's Fleet had and then apply the 1/5 reduction and there we go. Rather than making them up. Basically we just deal with the facts, picket ships and all. I mean exactly what else would we do, be deliberately arbitrary irregardless of the information we have? And the Venators and MC80s exist, but given that the Black Sun only acquired a few Venators and we only see one MC80 then we cannot expect them to have any. Nor is space the be all and end all especially for G0-T0. EDIT: We already discussed the Black Sun fleet numbers and I'm not about to change that on no basis in case I misremember. Unless there is actually clear cut evidence that states the Black Sun had 7,000 ships at any point.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Warren-Stride

03.17.2014 , 05:18 PM \| #392	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling EDIT: We already discussed the Black Sun fleet numbers and I'm not about to change that on no basis in case I misremember. Unless there is actually clear cut evidence that states the Black Sun had 7,000 ships at any point. I did the math at one point, but honestly I don't want to do it again. But Xizor's personal fleet had 200 ships. Just over Coruscant. The Black Sun was literally the richest organization in the galaxy and had a presence on pretty much every single inhabited world. I'm not asking you to change it. I'm just pointing out that people say that the Black Sun Navy is so ill-equipped when really it's not. The reason why it's turned out to be more of a harm to the DS than a benefit is because its only real advantage, vast size, has been shrunken into nothingness. The Black Sun Navy should outnumber the AE 100 to 1, not 4 to 1. I'm trying to work with what I got, but honestly, what's the point?
~~ AiR ~~ What are you more afraid of? A weapon that could destroy you? Or a weapon that could turn you into a monster?

Selenial

03.17.2014 , 05:22 PM \| #393	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride I did the math at one point, but honestly I don't want to do it again. But Xizor's personal fleet had 200 ships. Just over Coruscant. The Black Sun was literally the richest organization in the galaxy and had a presence on pretty much every single inhabited world. I'm not asking you to change it. I'm just pointing out that people say that the Black Sun Navy is so ill-equipped when really it's not. The reason why it's turned out to be more of a harm to the DS than a benefit is because its only real advantage, vast size, has been shrunken into nothingness. The Black Sun Navy should outnumber the AE 100 to 1, not 4 to 1. I'm trying to work with what I got, but honestly, what's the point? You seem to think your fleet was the only one shrunk. Everyone's was.
We all live or die as Krayt wills, Stryfe. At his word, I would cut out my own heart. Or yours.

Beniboybling

03.17.2014 , 05:29 PM \| #394	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride I did the math at one point, but honestly I don't want to do it again. But Xizor's personal fleet had 200 ships. Just over Coruscant. The Black Sun was literally the richest organization in the galaxy and had a presence on pretty much every single inhabited world. I'm not asking you to change it. I'm just pointing out that people say that the Black Sun Navy is so ill-equipped when really it's not. The reason why it's turned out to be more of a harm to the DS than a benefit is because its only real advantage, vast size, has been shrunken into nothingness. The Black Sun Navy should outnumber the AE 100 to 1, not 4 to 1. I'm trying to work with what I got, but honestly, what's the point? Yeah it started off like 1,700 or something, now its 7,000... can't see much in the way of evidence, I don't think we can deal with these arbitrary figures and hold them up as fact. Anyway can we move on from this fleets business and perhaps look at something more important?
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Aurbere

03.17.2014 , 05:32 PM \| #395	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling Anyway can we move on from this fleets business and perhaps look at something more important? Like ground battles? Give me some time to work something up.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

Warren-Stride

03.17.2014 , 05:32 PM \| #396	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial You seem to think your fleet was the only one shrunk. Everyone's was. I know that. Thrawn's Fleet: 40 ships Death Squadron: ~30 ships So the AE fleet shrunk 28%, I get that. But the AE is two fleets. Two MINOR space forces. I have one major space force that spanned an entire galaxy, and yet it's only x4 larger? I'm not saying it needs to be fair. I understand that 200 ships is what the DS has to work with. But it makes me mad when people make it seem like the Black Sun Navy was a bad faction choice. At the time, I was under the impression that I was getting a vast force. Again, quantity over quality. But the quantity was reduced so much that now there's no way it can make up for the lack of quality.
~~ AiR ~~ What are you more afraid of? A weapon that could destroy you? Or a weapon that could turn you into a monster?

Aurbere

03.17.2014 , 05:54 PM \| #397	Quote
OK, so, ground combat. I don't think the AE will consider Nar Shaddaa and Bothawui a major threat, at least not to the same degree as the others, so I will focus on Kamino, Geonosis, and Mon Calamari. Kamino: Obi-Wan Kenobi and the 212th have intimate knowledge of the facility's internal workings and defenses, having defended the planet on several occasions. Kenobi will be able to identify weak points and use his tactical genius to breach them. Geonosis: Once again, Obi-Wan Kenobi and the 212th have intimate knowledge of the planet. Plo Koon does as well. What's important to understand is that knowledge of the field of battle is immensely important. Basically, the Jedi Generals know what to expect when they are going into these battles. The only issue is the defending forces, but since Kenobi, Koon, and the 212th have years of experience facing the droid armies, they can handle it. Heck, Kenobi developed several tactics designed to abuse the deficiencies of Trade Federation droids. They can deal with it. Now what about Mon Calamari? Mon Mothma one shots it No seriously, she does. The Mon Calamarians will be more than happy to overthrow their fiendish droid leaders to join the woman who led their people to prosperity. The only time the AE would go after the other worlds is after the DS has been sufficiently crippled.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

Warren-Stride

03.17.2014 , 06:00 PM \| #398	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere Obi-Wan Kenobi and the 212th have intimate knowledge of the facility's internal workings and defenses... I'm a bit confused about whether we're bringing past knowledge of things in or not, considering that it's been argued that the entire population of the galaxy and PROXY would not realize that the people under the iconic Clone Trooper armor are in fact clones.
~~ AiR ~~ What are you more afraid of? A weapon that could destroy you? Or a weapon that could turn you into a monster?

Beniboybling

03.17.2014 , 06:04 PM \| #399	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere Kamino: Obi-Wan Kenobi and the 212th have intimate knowledge of the facility's internal workings and defenses, having defended the planet on several occasions. Kenobi will be able to identify weak points and use his tactical genius to breach them. All right all right people enough with this intimate knowledge cause I visited once blah blah business. Unless Kenobi is a droid who can program info into his brain his knowledge ain't going to be all the intimate. Heck I don't think its even the same city.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Selenial

03.17.2014 , 06:05 PM \| #400	Quote
Aurbere, now that we've come up with the anti HK strategy (that would be military protocol for droids anyway me thinks) you might as well start with the droid forces breakdowns, B3's and the like.
We all live or die as Krayt wills, Stryfe. At his word, I would cut out my own heart. Or yours.

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