Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

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Kaggath Tournament Finals - Ascending Empire vs Droid Supremacy

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Beniboybling

03.11.2014 , 04:10 PM \| #301	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial Well, they'd think that either G0-T0 will win without that, and they'll live happily everafter, or they attempt to Execute Order 66 the Jedi Survive, and the Kaminoans are executed. Or they play intelligently, and decide that because the AE has the entire plan to their Planet, knows every defensive position and Invasion spot, they're going to withhold the Information to use as a bargaining chip when the AE take Kamino. If they do. If they don't, they've lost nothing. Let me simplify this. Telling G0-T0 leads to a 50% chance of Success (Probably less, but we'll see) and victory in the war. With the other % meaning certain death. Not telling him, means that if he wins, they win, and he does not punish them, but if they lose, they also do not get punished. Win win. A good point, however the AE does not have the entire plan to their planet and does not know every defensive position and invasion spot. And no neither Clones neither Kenobi/Koon provide this information. Anyway, again I ask how exactly does knowledge of an order they cannot order work as a bargaining chip? If they lose the government will probably be arrested and charged for war crimes, I'm talking about the clearly unethical methods that led to the creation of the Terror Troopers & co. that and they'll have to pay war reparations too. And where is this magical calculator that allows the Kaminoans to predict the effects of the contingency orders being put into play? I probably should take this moment to point out that there is also an Order 65, which has the clones attempt to depose or kill the Supreme Chancellor... all they need is an order from the relevant commander.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Beniboybling

03.11.2014 , 04:11 PM \| #302	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere Pretty sure she can make herself invisible in this Kaggath. She's had years of practice. With what, a stealth field generator?
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Aurbere

03.11.2014 , 04:12 PM \| #303	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling With what, a stealth field generator? -_- No...
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

Beniboybling

03.11.2014 , 04:13 PM \| #304	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial He was making a joke about not finding a character called "Pathetic republic guard" Yeh Beni, we're not talking Senate guard type, we're talking citizen volunteers. Yeah, that's right, don't think you can go around capitalising stuff like that willy nilly! Anyway I see a few issues here, the main issue here is the lack of precognition. The AE won't know to implement this strategy until it actually happens, and I don't see any evidence of this technology being able to reverse the damage.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Beniboybling

03.11.2014 , 04:15 PM \| #305	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere -_- No... The Force then? Because the only other meaning I can divulge is that your implying that Mothma go into hiding in a remote corner of the galaxy. But that isn't possible, because the rules don't allow that.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Selenial

03.11.2014 , 04:16 PM \| #306	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling A good point, however the AE does not have the entire plan to their planet and does not know every defensive position and invasion spot. And no neither Clones neither Kenobi/Koon provide this information. Anyway, again I ask how exactly does knowledge of an order they cannot order work as a bargaining chip? If they lose the government will probably be arrested and charged for war crimes, I'm talking about the clearly unethical methods that led to the creation of the Terror Troopers & co. that and they'll have to pay war reparations too. And where is this magical calculator that allows the Kaminoans to predict the effects of the contingency orders being put into play? I probably should take this moment to point out that there is also an Order 65, which has the clones attempt to depose or kill the Supreme Chancellor... all they need is an order from the relevant commander. Order 65 is non canon now, I'm guessing. There's no way they'd not know of order 66, if they knew of order 65. But yeh, the primary foundries would be known by the 212th, as they helped the 501st coordinate the defense of Kamino. Meh, the Government stuff is I guess, point of view. However I think we can agree that they wouldnt run up to G0-T0 screaming it, they'd probably give it up if asked... but that's about it. And Order 65/66 playability is still.... doubtful. Contingency charges can be cancelled by Mothma afterall. Besides, if there are Clone Guards with Mothma, that means for her to pull it off (Due to threat on her life) the AE would need to kill the clone guards and make it look like the IK did.
We all live or die as Krayt wills, Stryfe. At his word, I would cut out my own heart. Or yours.

Aurbere

03.11.2014 , 04:17 PM \| #307	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling The Force then? Because the only other meaning I can divulge is that your implying that Mothma go into hiding in a remote corner of the galaxy. But that isn't possible, because the rules don't allow that. You don't need a hidey-hole on some backwater world to be invisible. Any AE world will do.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

Aurbere

03.11.2014 , 04:19 PM \| #308	Quote
No one has even countered my own Order 66 counter-argument. I feel that I've cast enough doubt on it.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall "Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

Beniboybling

03.11.2014 , 04:27 PM \| #309	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial Order 65 is non canon now, I'm guessing. There's no way they'd not know of order 66, if they knew of order 65. But yeh, the primary foundries would be known by the 212th, as they helped the 501st coordinate the defense of Kamino. Meh, the Government stuff is I guess, point of view. However I think we can agree that they wouldnt run up to G0-T0 screaming it, they'd probably give it up if asked... but that's about it. And Order 65/66 playability is still.... doubtful. Contingency charges can be cancelled by Mothma afterall. Besides, if there are Clone Guards with Mothma, that means for her to pull it off (Due to threat on her life) the AE would need to kill the clone guards and make it look like the IK did. Hoh? How can Order 65 be non-canon if there is an Order 66? LOL! Palpy can't count! Anyway, they are not droids, I doubt they remember everything. Nor would they write it down and put it in their pocket either lest the enemy get their hands on such vital information. Remember the R2-D2 debacle? Anyway, I think we can be pretty sure that Mothma will deem Lama Su's actions inhumane and will probably replace him just for supporting the Droid Supremacy (who aren't exactly a nice bunch) anyway. And lol, if they have this information, and they have a vested interest in it being used to help the DS win, they will tell G0-T0. No they don't have to do it with their arms flailing (really? Is that an argument now?) a politely worded holocall should do. Wait what all the comms on Kamino are down due to weather interferences? Oh noes! And yeah for Order 66 they cannot resist, so logic and what not doesn't apply. And I don't think it can be cancelled either, else Sidious would have just done that to make Tup go back to normal. As for Order 65, probably, but if it is ordered there will be a kerfuffle that will have to be dealt with swiftly. And if they get both orders at the same time? Well.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

Beniboybling

03.11.2014 , 04:29 PM \| #310	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere No one has even countered my own Order 66 counter-argument. I feel that I've cast enough doubt on it. Erm.... no I'm pretty sure that one committed a logical fallacy.
"No game of dejarik can be won without pawns... and this may prove to be a very long game." ~ Kreia Darth Traya: Waiting in the Dark& Part Two: A Fragile Alliance

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