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My concealment Op is so Op its not even fun to play

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My concealment Op is so Op its not even fun to play

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Ghost_Spectre
02.15.2014 , 09:41 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by HexDecimalUK View Post
...and now its just a rinse and repeat free kill rotation that is as satisfying as going to tatooine and solo ganking a lvl 20 clicker. And before you come at me with cure acid, this and trinket the second stun that, the acid does not clense most of the time and by the time you do get back on your feet your almost dead and all they need to do is re apply the acid with back stab, chiv, lacerate, overload shot GG they dont even need stealth to do that as the role procs evasion which sheds any root or dot and blocks incoming ranged and melee attacks but if you think you can handle that and apear to be doing so, they can always vanaish and hit you with that 9K hidden strike/lacerate.
Bear with me a moment here. I've not PvP'd since August 23rd because I moved to the Philippines. However, for the last month I've been playing GW2 (Darkhaven Server) again because the latency wasn't so bad. I started playing WvW (regardless of what people may think, I'm enjoying it) and noticed that the latency was there, but not so bad. I decided to try it with SWTOR instead of just PvE.

So I dusted off my fully BiS Conq gear I had for my Sage Healer, and jumped in (After practicing my rotation and other keybinds to refresh myself) PvP. In my 3rd game, I found myself in N.C. at the south node healing my team mates. I had an Concealment Op come out and hit me. I hit my Force Barrier, ruining their own rotation, then resumed healing teammates. However, this OP wouldn't leave me alone. I blew him back, force sped for separation and LoS him so I could still heal. He came at me this time in full view, so I force slowed, hit my equivalent of Recklessness and Alacrity increase, a unloaded my rock collection after I loaded him up with some dots. Finished it off with Force Quake because he went into stealth and killed him (I had the marker ready to drop while my TK was firing and dropped it as he stealthed).

This OP found me a again; however, with the aid of a Deception Assassin and I was able to fend them off until help came for me. This happened 2 other times. I was killed 3 times in that battle, the last time was against that Assassin and OP.

My point, I'm rusty and need more WZ time to regain my edge; however, in my opinion the OP hits a bit harder but not so much I couldn't out heal their damage to me and heal my teammates. I just defended myself as I would before and survived to continue doing my job. For not PvPing for 6 months I was able to maintain nearly 400k in heals for the 4 games I engaged in. Not bad, but a lot of room for improvement.
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HexDecimalUK
02.16.2014 , 01:06 PM | #22
Wooo wait a minute, so am i to believe that i in fact don't suck at my Op? because if im wrong in feeling completely OP on mine.... i don't think iv ever been complimented so aggressively
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ZooMzy
02.16.2014 , 01:14 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by HexDecimalUK View Post
Wooo wait a minute, so am i to believe that i in fact don't suck at my Op? because if im wrong in feeling completely OP on mine.... i don't think iv ever been complimented so aggressively
No one's really looking to compliment you, as knowing a rotation in a certain spec isn't very impressive.

It's just that you're attempting to claim you can destroy anything as a Concealment op, when in reality, you have two scenarios that net you a kill:

1) You're fighting a noob that doesn't know how to fend for themselves.
2) You catch someone with their pants down (without CDs or stun break etc)

Plenty of those two exist in regs, while ranked, you cut one of those out completely and make it very unlikely for number 2 to occur.

You are not OP, don't worry. When you play in the ranked matches, you'll see it's still an uphill battle for a spec like yours.

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HexDecimalUK
02.16.2014 , 01:21 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by ZooMzy View Post
No one's really looking to compliment you, as knowing a rotation in a certain spec isn't very impressive.

It's just that you're attempting to claim you can destroy anything as a Concealment op, when in reality, you have two scenarios that net you a kill:

1) You're fighting a noob that doesn't know how to fend for themselves.
2) You catch someone with their pants down (without CDs or stun break etc)

Plenty of those two exist in regs, while ranked, you cut one of those out completely and make it very unlikely for number 2 to occur.

You are not OP, don't worry. When you play in the ranked matches, you'll see it's still an uphill battle for a spec like yours.
with respect I'm not talking about ranked, just regs. and saying everyone i beat is noob is a pretty wide call-out what you're basically telling me is your just awesome and anyone not on your level who prefers warzones isn't entitled to have an opinion round here.
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02.16.2014 , 01:30 PM | #25
*You're.
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Evolixe
02.16.2014 , 01:44 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by HexDecimalUK View Post
with respect I'm not talking about ranked, just regs. and saying everyone i beat is noob is a pretty wide call-out what you're basically telling me is your just awesome and anyone not on your level who prefers warzones isn't entitled to have an opinion round here.
Basically what it comes down to yeah
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Chimerako
02.16.2014 , 02:01 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by HexDecimalUK View Post
Have you ever had a buddy you 1v1'd in a game, any game and its just like you try and give them a chance as best as possible but really your just toying with them, Thats how my Op is now, in terms of tactics against any class itas more one sided than a madness sorc vs a VG jug that didnt take the overwhelm or unstoppable skills, and damage wise every target might as well not be wearing gear at all. Since the patch iv solo'd multiple players using vanish/sap and flash bangs on nodes/doors, iv walked away from marauders, powertechs, even lightning sorcs with full health and at first i was feeling like my hard work mastering the class while it was "unviable" was being rewarded and that i was simply skilled but it was long after i really warmed up on the class before i just walked away from fights thinking what is wrong with this picture, Iv gotten good at a class for nothing because its so easy a monkey could play it now and own ppl with the simplist PVE playstyle and next month its getting changed so much that my entire playstyle that i worked for so long on is totally invalid. TY EAware for dumbing down yet another good game to appease the lowest common denominator.

Before the Op took hard work to play but no more than any other class, i played it more often than most of my level 55s and never felt like i was at any disadvantage now i dare not even touch my other classes because i know exactly whats coming for me, ME! or so to speak.

Now im seeing how they are going to rebalance them and its like, whats the point? how will the Op stand out from any other melee? it had a perfect trade off between casuing resolve and burst damage you hit them hard but white barred them as quick so you had to be cunning and use the environment to your advantage, pick your situations, and now its just a rinse and repeat free kill rotation that is as satisfying as going to tatooine and solo ganking a lvl 20 clicker. And before you come at me with cure acid, this and trinket the second stun that, the acid does not clense most of the time and by the time you do get back on your feet your almost dead and all they need to do is re apply the acid with back stab, chiv, lacerate, overload shot GG they dont even need stealth to do that as the role procs evasion which sheds any root or dot and blocks incoming ranged and melee attacks but if you think you can handle that and apear to be doing so, they can always vanaish and hit you with that 9K hidden strike/lacerate.

Anyway my point is they were fine how they were and if your really feel they wernt then maybe an auto crit should just be worked into the previous build to give them some consistency.

Anyway that's my thoughts on the subject, just wanted to toss that in on the pile as one of the few Players running a DPS Op pre-patch
You haven't been playing the right ppl...ops are dangerous in very specific situations. There is so much ranged AoE and probes floating around I find it hard to believe your running around in 8 mans facerolling everyone. maybe in arenas...

The buff really wasn't that great and I have no issue on any class that's in equal gear dealing with even good ops from full health. Ops are finishers and solo artists so they are supposed to "seem" op based on the targets your picking.

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Raansu
02.16.2014 , 02:29 PM | #28
I just realized the OP plays on my server. He tunneled me and failed to kill me on all the times he opened up on me and I'm playing an undergeared vengeance jugg atm lul. Guess he's not as op as he seems to want to believe lol.

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Chimerako
02.16.2014 , 02:37 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
I just realized the OP plays on my server. He tunneled me and failed to kill me on all the times he opened up on me and I'm playing an undergeared vengeance jugg atm lul. Guess he's not as op as he seems to want to believe lol.
ooooooooooo BURN!!

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HexDecimalUK
02.16.2014 , 02:57 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
I just realized the OP plays on my server. He tunneled me and failed to kill me on all the times he opened up on me and I'm playing an undergeared vengeance jugg atm lul. Guess he's not as op as he seems to want to believe lol.
tunneled? i fail to see how attacking an objective is tunneling but OK and for the record its was an Op on his team that's topped me while my own team ran like lemmings to their death at the far node. And you are really halariouse bro. I have no idea who you are and then in that WZ you just rage at me over general and now you in here laying it on. im no one mate, im the poster of one thread outlining my own thougts on a class and your leading your own campaign against me. well who ever you are i absolutely envy your life and the full day you have spent giving me your undevided attention.


and PS it was a 2 attempts on you, well 3 actually but i got you the first time.
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