A sad day for PVP

Don't forget the Devs give PVP Griefers plenty of things to do during events on PVE servers.

Yes indeed. Idiot noobs ganking another group of idiot noobs counts as content....

No disagreement here.

Less divisiveness among the PvP players about PvP would be a good thing IMO.

As for the game.. what gets played the most will continue to get more attention.

Hope you are joking.

Lol can't believe i went through 10 pages of GSF IS PVP or Isn't...

I felt like I was listen to my sisters argue.

It's obvious what the OP meant and to feel the need to argue about it entertained me for a good 10 minutes so thank you :P.

1 new warzone in a year or something? GG ground pvp

Thank you

And you'll NEVER get them to agree to that, they have no interest in discussing his point, they merely seek to insult and discredit him for having the opinion that PvPers have very little to look forward to. It's the typical bully brigade out to silence another player. They haven't even tried to debate the topic, just the term the OP used.

Nitpicking about the difference between GSF and PvP warzones is a dishonest approach, IMO. Look familiar? There's divisiveness for a reason. You have your blinders on.

As for the game... whatever can be milked in the cash shop will get more attention. You can't tell me GSF is more popular than PvP warzones. I'm sure you'll try but you don't have the metrics.

Ah.. now I see what your narrative is. The cash shop killed your PvP.

You could have just said that up front.

Rodger Rodger, over and out.

Wow, 18+ pages of 'debate' over whether GSF is "technically" player vs. player (it is) vs. whether it's "PVP" (it's not. "PVP" is a surrogate, dare say a euphemism, for ground PVP). When the phrase PVP is used, it's presumptively referring to ground PVP unless stated otherwise. Any other argument, however technically accurate, is just cute.

Here's an example. When we (here in the U.S.) say 'America' or 'Americans' we are very clearly NOT referring to Canadians or Mexicans or North Americans generally. Technically speaking this is not accurate, because Americans should also include anyone from North, or South, America. But the phrase 'American' has taken on its own meaning. And one doesn't have to like that or agree with that for it to be true.

So if someone says that "Americans" speak English. To respond with "I guess you're ignoring French Canadians," is technically accurate, but cute and largely unhelpful.

Look let's step back and look at the whole issue for a moment shall we?

1st off.. the roadmap does NOT tell the whole detail. I'd be willing to bet money BW's holding onto some suprises for us, so when we look at that, we need to consider these are the highlights. not the whole kit and kaboodle.
2ndly, let's look at patch 2.6 for a moment, and look at whats in it that the devs HAVEN'T spoken of. class changes. this is something, in my experiance most PVP players are most concerned with more then new maps. (which are from what I can tell in a "ohh they're nice.. but" catagory) right now the roadmap info on 2.6 makes no mention of the class changes we KNOW are coming. so we can proably assume more class changes are down the road. that could be the important stuff to the PVP crowd.

3rdly: the focus on GSF makes sense, it's the new thing and they're releasing it in drips and drabs over a time period to keep it moving. hence why we've had stuff delayed until tomorrows patch that we know are ready.

Let's compare Operations, ground PVP (which I'll refer to as G-PVP) and GSF in terms of actual content for a moment.

Operations: Operations in SW:TOR are in a pretty healthy place IMHO. we currentl;y have 4 "end game" operations. all with a story mode and a hard mode. however only the two earlier ones (which drop gear inferior to the hard modes of the latest) have nightmare modes. it'll be a suprisingly long time before we get nightmare modes for those ops. while the ops are in good places. hard core raiders I'd say are within their rights to grumble as this is the longest we've been kept waiting for nightmare modes for raiding. but over all PVE is in a good place. in terms of gear we have 3 tiers of gear (not including classic stuff) obtainable through raiding. Arkanian is no better then what can be bought with basic comms but does have set bonuses. ensuring even though who run story mode ops feel there's a reason to do so.

G-PVP: I'll be up front of the three things I'm talking about I have the least experiance with ground PVP. ground PVP has 4 differnt types of warzones, each with their own differing way of scoreing etc. the upcoming quesh WZ is intreasting in that it's a "differnt map, but same objective type as a previous one" making it something new for warzones. in addition to the Warzone maps, PVP has a number of arenas 4 or 5 that's quite a varity of terrain. more areas to fight over is always better but I think PVP in that regard isn't too bad off. however class rebalancing is proably one of the big things needed for PVP. there's only two sets of gear but given what happened last time BW introduced new PVP gear I'm not sure PVPers wanna go through that again


GSF: ok, we currently have 6 "classes" 2 maps and 1 play style for GSF. tomorrow that'll expand a little but right now GSF is in a very "incomplete" state compared to everything else. that IMHO is why we're hearing so much about it. BW's basicly slowly rolling out the "complete package"