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The REAL Most Powerful Revisited

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Selenial
02.11.2014 , 01:00 PM | #451
Quote: Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
You take her seriously? Who until recently didn't even knew that Sith Emperor is an ancient Sith Lord? Says a lot.
LeGenD taking a quote out of context? Shocker
You said he knows force drain (as in the attack) simply because he's an ancient sith. I said he's not an ancient sith in that respect because he never trained at any academies before leaving for DK, and it's never shown in his Sith Empire. You completely ignored that because it made you look like an imbecile, not my problem.



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You should keep your attitude under check, my tolerance have limits.

I am not going to respect you just because you are a girl. You need to be respectful to others to earn their respect.

Don't make Star Wars an obsession and basis to ridicule others. It is just Sci-Fi.
If I had posted that to annoy you, I'd have poked fun at your grammar, however I understand here, English is a second language for some, including myself, and I am not an ******e. The post was simply my observation of your admirable stubbornness, and what a waste of time it is to argue with you.

Also, sexist comments are not necessary. Besides, I neither need, nor want, your respect.
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S_W_LeGenD
02.11.2014 , 01:07 PM | #453
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Its out of context because Plagueis was not injured at that time.
Plagueis got injured in the battle during assassins and his powers didn't diminish due to those wounds. Later on, he gave Sidious a lecture about this matter.

Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
When injured Plagueis was forced to divert his attention to keeping himself alive which would have demanded both physical attention and Force exertion - meaning his ability to attack with the Force would have been diminished.
He is an alien, not a human. Biological limitations of humans do not apply on him.

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What the novel is saying here is that those injuries were not permanent, Plagueis recovered from his wounds and became more powerful than ever, refuting Sidious' assumption that it may have permanently weakened him.
I have read the novel, he was in the process of healing when he had this discussion with Sidious. Also, he didn't became more powerful then ever, he said that he would become more powerful in the near future (likely on the basis of his experiments).

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All in all you have failed to understand (or deliberately overlooked) the difference between temporary and permanent effects, whether that is a cause for embarrassment is up to you to decide I suppose. Its certainly not a surprise.
No, you keep on thinking that your grasp of literature is always perfect. Do not try to think less of intellectuality of others, you are intellectually gifted but this doesn't means only you are. You are prone to making as much mistakes in your assessments like others are. I can post examples but I will leave this matter out of respect of personally respecting you.

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LeGenD taking a quote out of context? Shocker
You said he knows force drain (as in the attack) simply because he's an ancient sith. I said he's not an ancient sith in that respect because he never trained at any academies before leaving for DK, and it's never shown in his Sith Empire. You completely ignored that because it made you look like an imbecile, not my problem.
Making stuff now? This is complete and utter BS.

You didn't even knew that Sith Emperor was an ancient Sith some days back and you try to pretend to be an expert in matters of Star Wars? Want me to dig up that quote of yours?

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If I had posted that to annoy you, I'd have poked fun at your grammar, however I understand here, English is a second language for some, including myself, and I am not an ******e. The post was simply my observation of your admirable stubbornness, and what a waste of time it is to argue with you.

Also, sexist comments are not necessary. Besides, I neither need, nor want, your respect.
But you are trying to annoy me with rude remarks. Ever since I have posted in this forum, you have been showing attitude towards me. You better change your attitude or expect to be responded in kind from now own.

Don't like my views on matters of Star Wars? no problem. But I am not going to keep quiet if you choose to insult me or pass rude remarks about me.

I am not stubborn, I debate only on the matters that I find worth correcting. Lot of times, I do not even participate in these debates. But when I do, you better be civil with me or don't bother posting.

And don't give me that sexist BS either, I don't care if you are a girl or not. I will disrespect you, if you will disrespect me. Some people try to be lenient with girls and overlook their questionable attitude but I am not one of them.

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Aurbere
02.11.2014 , 01:38 PM | #454
Quote: Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
And why should I drop it? Are you willing to overlook similar claims for other characters including your favorites? It is absolutely relevant interpretation of Emperor's power in the lore.
My favorite character doesn't need quotes. He has some decent ones, sure, but I don't rely on them to make a point.

Quote: Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
Your premise is flawed unfortunately. A character's strength(s) are not just identified on the basis of his own feats but also how he stacks up in comparison to his surroundings. Sith Emperor became more powerful then many iconic characters in the mythos including Tulak Hord, Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, Darth Traya, Darth Sion, Darth Nihilus, Revan..........the list is so big. Emperor's own apprentice have very impressive feats to her name which in turn positively reflects on the capabilities and power of the Emperor himself, he can do BETTER. In this manner, we have a another reasonable "measuring stick" for Emperor's capabilities to consider.
I deal only in what characters have done. This prevents me from making stretches in logic in any argument. (I tend to do that, given the chance)

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Sith Emperor "all but atomized" heavily armored T3-M4 droid with his telekinetic abilities. In addition, Scourge saw visions of his termination at the hands of Emperor in every conceivable way which covers the possibility of his atomization at the hands of Sith Emperor from his powers. Clear enough?
Non-comparable. Plagueis did his feat when on the verge of death. Unless the Emperor had his throat cut open when he did that, I don't see a comparison to be made in your favor.

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You mean chapter 28?
No, I've been re-reading the Revan novel and I'm struggling to find a reason to continue reading after Chapter 3's epic fail.

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Vague quote. Even in its proper context. Let me guess, one of those ways was the Emperor devouring Revan's lightsaber and spitting plasma bolts. (Beni, think back to where I picked that from )

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Actually I see a connection between that revelation and the events that took place during Plagueis's battle with assassins. Plaguies's powers didn't diminish by the wounds inflicted upon him by the assassins and this is why he was able to "all but atomize" them. No rocket science here.
That quote was a very long time after the attack and had nothing to do with the attack in its context.

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I am not going to end up embarrassed because I can connect the dots better then you.
You made up your own dots to make a huge leap in logic.

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You take her seriously? Who until recently didn't even knew that Sith Emperor is an ancient Sith Lord? Says a lot.
I took her at her word. She's very knowledgeable and I happen to trust her. I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
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Beniboybling
02.11.2014 , 01:41 PM | #455
Quote: Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
No, you keep on thinking that your grasp of literature is always perfect. Do not try to think less of intellectuality of others, you are intellectually gifted but this doesn't means only you are. You are prone to making as much mistakes in your assessments like others are. I can post examples but I will leave this matter out of respect of personally respecting you.
I admit that was uncalled for, I apologise if I caused offence.

But to address your points.

1. This is not what the novel is implying, look closely at the following:

“Do you think that Malak’s powers were weakened by Revan’s lightsaber? Bane by being encrusted in orbalisks? Do you think Gravid’s young apprentice was hindered by the prosthesis she was forced to wear after fighting him?”

Malak was defeated when Revan cut off his jaw with a lightsaber. If Malak had not suffered any temporary weakness, the duel would have continued. Bane was almost dead when the orbalisks on his body were removed, he was temporarily weakened. Gravid cleaved off his apprentice's left arm, shoulder, face, and torso, which severely crippled her - she was temporarily weakened. The fact that Plagueis reels off a long list of Sith who suffered injury in battle, were weakened by it, but recovered to become as a strong as before implies Plagueis underwent the same experience.

Nowhere is it stated that Plagueis was not temporarily weakened.

This is only proof that he was not permanently weakened, and you will find yourself unable to refer to a specific passage or sentence that even suggests otherwise. So I suggest you concede this point.

2. Muuns are no more physically durable than humans. They have three hearts yes, but they are still capable of feeling the effects of grievous injury, which Plagueis did, to quote the novel in a more relevant context:
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Noting that Plagueis also unleashes a powerful Force shout despite having a severed trachea, which we should also be aware would have prevented Plagueis from breathing, at all, Muuns need oxygen to survive.

3. But was no longer experiencing gross blood loss, heart failure, a complete lack of oxygen and the indescribable pain that comes from having half of your face severed off. As you can imagine he'd be feeling quite different.

And in regards to that I was referring to this quote:
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This did not happen immediately, but eventually Plagueis grew stronger than before. He also discovered how to become immortal, which is something you have overlooked in your assessment of the Sith Emperor.

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Selenial
02.11.2014 , 01:45 PM | #456
Quote: Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
Making stuff now? This is complete and utter BS.

You didn't even knew that Sith Emperor was an ancient Sith some days back and you try to pretend to be an expert in matters of Star Wars? Want me to dig up that quote of yours?


But you are trying to annoy me with rude remarks. Ever since I have posted in this forum, you have been showing attitude towards me. You better change your attitude or expect to be responded in kind from now own.

Don't like my views on matters of Star Wars? no problem. But I am not going to keep quiet if you choose to insult me or pass rude remarks about me.

I am not stubborn, I debate only on the matters that I find worth correcting. Lot of times, I do not even participate in these debates. But when I do, you better be civil with me or don't bother posting.

And don't give me that sexist BS either, I don't care if you are a girl or not. I will disrespect you, if you will disrespect me. Some people try to be lenient with girls and overlook their questionable attitude but I am not one of them.
I assume you mean making stuff up.

Go ahead, find the quote, then I'll promptly show you my reply to that, which clears up what I meant.

Oh, and it wasn't "Some days ago" it was months ago. And anyone here will happily inform you I have more Star Wars knowledge in my Cerrebelum (Which yes, is a joke for those that would correct me ) than you have ever possibly absorbed from the 3 canon sources you've read.
I might buy that you'd read more, if you didn't want to take things out of context dramatically using quotes from the SWTORE and that Derpashyn novel Revan.
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LadyKulvax
02.11.2014 , 01:45 PM | #457
I think I'll sit this one out.

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Selenial
02.11.2014 , 01:46 PM | #458
I can't be the only one who just read that the quote saying the Sith Emperor was more powerful than Nihilus...
The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion. Culminating in a final atrocity that no Jedi could walk away from… save one.
Zarys Sorcerer Cathinka Scoundrel
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Beniboybling
02.11.2014 , 01:51 PM | #459
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
(Beni, think back to where I picked that from )
I can't imagine where, your Royal Vagueness.

Wait, wait, its from here right!

But seriously, if Legend is in fact implying that this is evidence to suggest that the Sith Emperor is capable of atomizing individuals in the way that Plagueis did. I reject it whole heartedly. It is even more tenous an assumption based than the notion that because in a Kaggath two members of the DC destroyed the original Sith Citadel, that the Sith Emperor is therefore capable of destroying the Sith Citadel with TK single handedly given that he is superior to them.

We simply cannot make these leaps in logic, regardless if true. As the Emperor himself would say...

Anyway, any further thoughts concerning Plagueis vs the Sith Emperor?

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Beniboybling
02.11.2014 , 01:54 PM | #460
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The Sith Emperor's combative abilities by comparison are amateur hour, I wouldn't even believe the statement that the Sith Emperor himself stands up to either Exar Kun or Darth Traya in a one on one confrontation, I believe that his combative powers are seriously lacking and that is why he falls short.
Combative abilities only reflect, do not accurately indicate, Force powers.

Clearly the Sith Emperor is a scholar, and combat is not his specialty. Regardess the fact that he went toe-to-toe (though eventually lost) to the Hero of Tython suggests he is able to capably apply himself in this field.

All in all aside from midi-chlorian manipulation, I don't think Plagueis surpasses the Emperor in any categories.