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Mandalorians or Sith Empire?

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Mandalorians or Sith Empire?

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POCTOB
01.26.2014 , 12:24 AM | #1
Hypothetical question here, if the Mandalorians broke their agreement with the empire and a war between the two broke out due to tensious relations who would win? Firstly i believe that the Mandalorians would win as they in my opinion have greater leadership which is Mandalore followed by his generals unlike the Sith Empire who have the Sith Emperor who is in slumber and inactive in dealings with his Dark Council which is supposed to be second in command (Though through constant council power plays the council is rendered useless) and so the empire is lost leadership in a time of turmoil. Secondly the mandalorians have no upstart's bidding for power and hence rocking the boat unlike the empire who have Malgus and Baras and countless more sith all tipping for power. Thirdly the Mandalorians do not prejudice against different species allowing them to have higher moral within their troops and an overall higher army whilst the empire doesn't have this precious resource. These are my main points for why the mandalorian's would kick *** but there are many more besides the obvious fact that mandalorians are complete bad ***'s.

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Blackholeskipper
01.26.2014 , 12:42 AM | #2
I like the Mandalorians more and I'd want to them to win but let's face it, they simply don't have the numbers or resources to win a full-out war against the Empire. I'm sure they could maintain their independence if they broke off with the Empire though, especially if the war with the Republic was still ongoing (in this scenario).

Also, I don't see how tolerance towards different species would affect the effectiveness of their troops unless it came down to raw numbers.

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Bleeters
01.26.2014 , 01:56 AM | #3
[edit] Nevermind

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POCTOB
01.26.2014 , 03:06 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackholeskipper View Post
I like the Mandalorians more and I'd want to them to win but let's face it, they simply don't have the numbers or resources to win a full-out war against the Empire. I'm sure they could maintain their independence if they broke off with the Empire though, especially if the war with the Republic was still ongoing (in this scenario).

Also, I don't see how tolerance towards different species would affect the effectiveness of their troops unless it came down to raw numbers.
Well the tolerance of species would allow different or "lesser species" to advance in military rankings due to their skill whilst if the Mandalorians had low tolerance of different species then only a few worthwhile commanders would advance through skill while the reast would advance through pedigree and the lesser species who could be confident commanders would stay in the core of military hierarchy.

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AlexDougherty
01.26.2014 , 05:05 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by POCTOB View Post
Well the tolerance of species would allow different or "lesser species" to advance in military rankings due to their skill whilst if the Mandalorians had low tolerance of different species then only a few worthwhile commanders would advance through skill while the reast would advance through pedigree and the lesser species who could be confident commanders would stay in the core of military hierarchy.
Yes, but it wouldn't be enough, yes the mandalorians have better troops, and better armour and hand weapons, But they don't have force users, and one force user is worth ten non-force users. The Sith Empire has more troops, better ships, and Sith, some of whom could cut their way through a hundred Mandalorians without breaking a sweat.

Don't let the BH story with it's killing of both Jedi and Sith fool you, that is the story of a unique individual, maybe one in million are ever that good, and maybe one in ten thousand are good enough to go against Jedi/Sith.

In short the Sith Empire would win hands down, there would be some tough battles, but the outcome would never be in doubt (unless the Republic decides to intervenne).
Peace can be found, above all passions. Through passion, I may gain strength.
Through strength, I may gain power. Through power, I may gain victory.
But for every enemy fallen, a new foe rises.
For every chain broken, new chains bind me. Only the Force can set me free.

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Xilizhra
01.26.2014 , 05:45 AM | #6
To use a Mass Effect analogy, it'd be like the Systems Alliance going to war with the Blue Suns. The actual government will probably beat the jumped-up mercenary army.

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LordGarmaZabi
01.26.2014 , 08:33 AM | #7
Assuming that this fight happens in a vacuum (Neither side has to worry about the Republic interfering.), the Empire would win, hands down. I like Mandalorians, and all, but it's not even a fight. Firstly, the Mandalorians have no force users to speak of. Now, yes, Mandalorians have killed force users before, but very, very few can claim to have done so in singles combat, even a Sith Apprentice is likely significantly more dangerous then your average Mandalorian Warrior. Secondly, in all likelyhood, the Mandalorians don't have a fraction of the resources, manpower, and R&D capability of the Empire, keep in mind, up untill a few decades ago, they were essentially scattered clans of merceneries.

Now, as for your points against the Empire, many of them are becoming less and less valid, post ROTHC. At least two aliens (I'm going to assume Nox is an Alien, given his story.) have reached seats on the Dark Council, we see a number of alien Sith Lords as the game goes on as well. We also a few aliens Imperial Officers on Makeb. Additionally, if you read the codex entry "Alien Initiatives" on the Empire sides, it notes that Kaleesh Tribes, and Cathar Clans are rising to prominence in the Imperial Military. Like wise, if Hutt Cartel is any indication, Sith infighting is on the decline as of late, and, if the ending is any indication, the Council seems to want to keep it that way.

As for the Emperor, ironically enough, the way he removed himself from the day to day dealings of the Empire, will allow the Dark Council to continue operation of the Empire almost as though nothing had happened. While I haven't cleared the game with every character, so far I've only beaten ROTHC with my Warrior, and the Vanilla game with my Inq, it seems to me that the current incarnation of the Council is very stable, atleast by Sith standards, Mortis, Ravage, Marr, Vowrawn, and Acina don't seem to be playing against each other at the moment. Nox is an unknown, since he's up to player choice, so we can't speak either way for him. Regardless, I don't see where you're getting the idea that the current Sith leadership can't function, Sith Lords, and Moffs have been shown to possess competence in military leadership, although it varies person to person, as it would in any other organization. If you want an example, look no further then Makeb, the Empire managed to conquer the planet, and push off the Republic and Hutt Cartel with a strike force significantly smaller then then the armies of their enemies.

Lastly, whatever Marr has planned for Isotope 5, I doubt the Mandalorians have anything that can stop it.
Sieg Zeon !

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Darth_Wicked
01.26.2014 , 08:50 AM | #8
^^ I'm not sure "conquered" is the correct word here.

Darth Marr does suggest that he'll move his forces in order to secure the system but his goal, yet again, was to harvest enough Isotope-5 in order to strengthen the Empire's defenses against the Republic, not to stage an offensive.

As far as we know, according to Under-Moff Bensen, the Empire's presence on Makeb is still to be discreet. A conquest would be the total opposite really, since it would draw the attention of the Republic.

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LordGarmaZabi
01.26.2014 , 08:58 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Wicked View Post
^^ I'm not sure "conquered" is the correct word here.

Darth Marr does suggest that he'll move his forces in order to secure the system but his goal, yet again, was to harvest enough Isotope-5 in order to strengthen the Empire's defenses against the Republic, not to stage an offensive.

As far as we know, according to Under-Moff Bensen, the Empire's presence on Makeb is still to be discreet. A conquest would be the total opposite really, since it would draw the attention of the Republic.
Conquer is defined as taking control of a place by military force, which is what happened. Not quite the most grand way to do so, but it seems that, at the moment, the Empire does control Makeb, albeit in secret. Although I suppose at this point it would just be playing word games.

My memory may be hazy, I haven't done Hutt Cartel in a while, but doesn't Marr say something about retaking lost ground ?
Sieg Zeon !

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Darth_Wicked
01.26.2014 , 09:14 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by LordGarmaZabi View Post
Conquer is defined as taking control of a place by military force, which is what happened. Not quite the most grand way to do so, but it seems that, at the moment, the Empire does control Makeb, albeit in secret. Although I suppose at this point it would just be playing word games.
The issue is that it is heavily implied that Regulator forces on Makeb actually far SURPASS Imperial forces, not to mention that the Republic didn't withdrew completely either.

Also, the imperial space station orbiting Makeb is cloaked, the communications are cut down to a bare minimum and except for the strike team that originally tried to seize the original Isotope-5 stockpiles, there are no actual new forces on the planet, which is why Under-Moff Bensen relies on the pre-existing ones - you included - in order to harvest new Istotope-5 pockets without arousing suspicion.

Take also into account that whatever resources the Empire has available, they are being used to lure the Republic AWAY. Cytharat and Marr both mention this in separate occasions.

Again, doesn't sound like a "conquest" at all to me but rather a black op for the most part. It's not also known if Marr was actually able to secure the System with his forces or not but again, most of the stuff post-end of the storyline implies that the Empire's presence on Makeb is minimal.

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My memory may be hazy, I haven't done Hutt Cartel in a while, but doesn't Marr say something about retaking lost ground ?
Not really. He actually says that each gram of Isotope-5 the Empire does manage to procure would be used on the Empire's defenses.