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[Guide] Sage Healing


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jstyrka
02.24.2014 , 01:29 PM | #21
For the 46 pieces are you sure you can get them from the voss vendors as I can't seem to find them

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Orderken
02.24.2014 , 02:33 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by jstyrka View Post
For the 46 pieces are you sure you can get them from the voss vendors as I can't seem to find them
I'm certain. The Modification and Enhancement that I named can't be learned through reverse engineering, so the "Voss Equipment Commendations Vendor" might be the only source.

This Vendor is on Fleet, and not to be confused with the neighboring Voss Modification Commendations Vendor. The Modification Vendor sells the less desirable (low Power, high Endurance) versions of the Modification and Enhancements.

For example, the Blue item level 46 Enhancement with Power and Alacrity may be extracted from Ancient Battlemind's Boots, and the Blue item level 46 Modification with Willpower and Power may be extracted from Ancient Seeker's Boots.
Orderken, <Hates You>, Prophecy of the Five

Guides and Model for Healing
Sorcerer / Sage / Mercenary / Commando / Operative / Scoundrel

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jstyrka
02.24.2014 , 05:46 PM | #23
You can also get the 20 hilt from pvp weapons vendor

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jstyrka
02.25.2014 , 04:59 PM | #24
Found them they are called barrage enhancements but have the Same stats as quick savant. With your spec do you get flagged as a dps or healer in ranked wz?

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ErraRok
02.27.2014 , 05:28 AM | #25
Great guide, thank you!
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Orderken
02.27.2014 , 08:15 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by jstyrka View Post
You can also get the 20 hilt from pvp weapons vendor
Updated OP.

Quote: Originally Posted by jstyrka View Post
Found them they are called barrage enhancements but have the Same stats as quick savant.
Updated OP.

Quote: Originally Posted by jstyrka View Post
With your spec do you get flagged as a dps or healer in ranked wz?
Healer.
Orderken, <Hates You>, Prophecy of the Five

Guides and Model for Healing
Sorcerer / Sage / Mercenary / Commando / Operative / Scoundrel

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Cheveu
03.10.2014 , 11:19 AM | #27
Hello Orderken,
I have a few questions concerning both PvP and PvE:

As for PvP I just got myself a Lightsaber of Eldritch Force
It has a +41 power cristal
Its mods are 46/46/46 Resolve Hilt 20, Aptitude Mod 20A, Barrage Enhancement 20. No augment.
My old Lightsaber was a Conqueror Force-Master's Lightsaber. Classic Tier 1 piece, unchanged with no augment either.

When I get into a Warzone, the 46/46/46 gives these stats:
http://imgur.com/jUQLeHr,avqfct3,ycYuaUq#1
Whereas pvp Lightsaber gives me these:
http://imgur.com/jUQLeHr,avqfct3,ycYuaUq#2

I think we can all agree that the pve 46/46/46 is better, yet here is what happens when I toy a bit with my focus / lightsaber.
When I swap my Tier 1 focus for my 46/46/46 Focus or my Tier 1 lightsaber for my 46/46/46 one multiple times here is what happens: (46/46/46 lightsaber and focus, just like in the first screenshot)
http://imgur.com/jUQLeHr,avqfct3,ycYuaUq#0

I just lost over a 100 Bonus Healing.
So here is my question:

Can we really trust what's written on the character sheet?? Is it just me, or is this a known bug that I was unaware of ? Does this change anything about the fact that 46/46/46 MH/OH is better than tier 1 conq?
I have no idea what I could do to test it out, if you have ideas I'll be glad to try them



Now on a PvE unrelated note.
I often find myself having trouble with healing multiple targets when in ops (mostly 8-man). Should I be more focused on tanks (since I have Force Shelter) or is it better to have another class heal the tank specifically? I'm now using Parsec to track stuff I do and to try and improve myself but I have some trouble interpreting the data.
I don't mean to cast stones at you (there's a very subtle joke here...) but do you plan on improving the Parsing part of your guide? Maybe throwing in some of your own parses on various bosses (both SM and HM would be appreciated) and commenting them, if that's not too much of a secret?

I'm currently raiding 8-man ops, we just cleaned everything in 8 man and we'd like to start going Hard Mode, what do you think would be a good point to start? Scum and Villainy or Terror From Beyond? Or should we go Hard Mode Fortress right away?

I know I'm asking a lot of annoying questions so feel free to ignore some of them, I won't get offended or anything
Thanks a lot for your help in advance

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Orderken
03.19.2014 , 03:13 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Cheveu View Post
When I swap my Tier 1 focus for my 46/46/46 Focus or my Tier 1 lightsaber for my 46/46/46 one multiple times here is what happens: (46/46/46 lightsaber and focus, just like in the first screenshot)
http://imgur.com/jUQLeHr,avqfct3,ycYuaUq#0

I just lost over a 100 Bonus Healing.
So here is my question:

Can we really trust what's written on the character sheet?? Is it just me, or is this a known bug that I was unaware of ? Does this change anything about the fact that 46/46/46 MH/OH is better than tier 1 conq?
The same had occurred for me during my testing. I stumbled upon a solution to this puzzling phenomenon. If you equip an OH inside a Warzone, Bolster won't affect it until a MH has been equipped inside the Warzone. That is, you must unequip and reequip your MH, or swap MHs, after equipping an OH inside a Warzone.


Quote: Originally Posted by Cheveu View Post
I have no idea what I could do to test it out, if you have ideas I'll be glad to try them
I recommend testing while your in a Warzone that hasn't begun. Before the Warzone begins, you have consistent conditions:
  1. You have full buffs.
  2. Force Shelter or Inspiration shouldn't increase your heals.
  3. Combat or single-target healing debuffs from an enemy shouldn't decrease your heals.

Use Force Mend. Assuming that your Healing Received bonus from Companion Tharan Cedrax or skill Pain Bearer is constant for each of your tests, the amount that this ability heals is constant for any particular amount of Bonus Healing. If Force Mend procs a relic, this proc won't have affected Force Mend, and the proc will expire before your next Force Mend.

I tested Force Mend with a few combinations, including MH and OH that were Obroan and that were Blue 46s. The Blue 46s maximized the healing of Force Mend.



Quote: Originally Posted by Cheveu View Post
Now on a PvE unrelated note.
[...] Should I be more focused on tanks (since I have Force Shelter) or is it better to have another class heal the tank specifically?
The primary purpose of healing assignments is simplifying triage. When one tank and one non-tank are each a few seconds from death, a successful healing assignment ensures that both healers don't heal one player and neglect the other. A secondary purpose is streamlining, including, for example, not both cleansing the same player or not both using an ability with a long cooldown (e.g., Force Potency) to respond to the same single-target emergency.

I suggest that you and your co-healer agree upon healing assignments for each boss. All else equal, a Commando or Scoundrel is a better tank healer than a Sage. A reasonable default assignment is: non-Sage healer focuses on tanks, and Sage healer focuses on non-tanks. If your co-healer isn't comfortable tank healing, or if tanks will be far apart or both will take substantial damage for any period, I suggest that you each choose one tank on whom to focus.

Refine an assignment as needed after a wipe. No healer should neglect tanks, of course. Even if your focus is non-tanks, Force Armor and Rejuvenate are crucial for tanks.

I don't consider Force Shelter a factor for healing assignments, because it increases your healing done (but not Force Armor, which is an absorb rather than a heal) regardless of whom you're healing.


Quote: Originally Posted by Cheveu View Post
I often find myself having trouble with healing multiple targets when in ops (mostly 8-man).
The positioning of your raid members is crucial. Your raid members should stack to receive healing from Force Wave and Salvation whenever a mechanic doesn't prevent it. If a ranged DPS stands alone for no reason, I let him die alone, and I inform him (over voice chat, so everyone hears) that his failure to be in range of ample AOE healing led to his death.


Quote: Originally Posted by Cheveu View Post
I'm now using Parsec to track stuff I do and to try and improve myself but I have some trouble interpreting the data.
I don't mean to cast stones at you (there's a very subtle joke here...) but do you plan on improving the Parsing part of your guide? Maybe throwing in some of your own parses on various bosses (both SM and HM would be appreciated) and commenting them, if that's not too much of a secret?
Parses vary a greater deal based on boss, healing assignment, co-healer, and the extent of the raid's derping or intoxication. That said, I have a ridiculous number of raid parses on TORParse.com. If you search for "orderken", you'll find my Sorcerer healer (Orderken) and my Mercenary healer (Koltorderken). You'll also find my Operative healer (Yolorderken), but I'd ignore these parses, because I'm a lazy and bad Operative healer.

Using very broad strokes, your HPS should come from Salvation > Healing Trance > Resurgence > Deliverance > Force Wave. If you search the page "Log" on TORParse.com for "activates Force Armor", or use Parsec, the count for Force Armor should be 5 or more per minute.

You may PM me a link to a parse of yours. I'll review it, but I doubt that, based solely on a parse, I'll be able to provide you with valuable feedback unless you're doing something outlandish.


Quote: Originally Posted by Cheveu View Post
I'm currently raiding 8-man ops, we just cleaned everything in 8 man and we'd like to start going Hard Mode, what do you think would be a good point to start? Scum and Villainy or Terror From Beyond? Or should we go Hard Mode Fortress right away?
HM TFB or S&V is substantially easier than HM DF or DP. Players who haven't cleared HM DF on any toons will struggle with it, I believe, until their toons have at least 72 gear.
Orderken, <Hates You>, Prophecy of the Five

Guides and Model for Healing
Sorcerer / Sage / Mercenary / Commando / Operative / Scoundrel

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Orderken
04.11.2014 , 11:48 AM | #29
Today I updated the OP for 2.7. The external skill tree or gear profile sites aren't updated for 2.7, so please post any questions.
Orderken, <Hates You>, Prophecy of the Five

Guides and Model for Healing
Sorcerer / Sage / Mercenary / Commando / Operative / Scoundrel

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Cheveu
04.15.2014 , 09:30 AM | #30
Would you still say it's useful to play with the 2pc PvE set in PvP ?
(I currently am using gloves and legs)

I'm currently playing with full Obroan gear, full Overkill augments, Brutal Relic x2 and Brutal Saber.
With bolster I'm at 2018 Expertise since I'm using the "old" 69/63/61 mods on my pve pieces.
With the new item rating system my pve pieces are 162/150/146. Do you think it'd be a good idea to go for 162/162/162 or stick with what I have? Maybe should I pick only pvp gear, I don't know, but since I'm new to the game and didn't know about the 1500 RWZC crystal abuse I think I'm undergeared compared to most, so I'm trying to get back on par by some optimizations.

Thanks for your answers from last time. I didn't send you any parse because currently it looks like our raid is just missing some DPS (like 2 or 3k of them...).
We've been trying Toborro HM and as we saw we have no problem healing and tanking the stuff but we are just so low on DPS bosses just keep enraging and it's very frustrating.

We are currently trying to address this problem (dummy fight night yay \o/) so that we can move forward in the content. I'll come back at you when I have some interesting parses of progress content that is challenging to heal