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[Guide] Sage Healing


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Orderken
01.22.2014 , 04:48 PM | #1
I moved my Guide here. This thread is closed.
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Darth_Dreselus
01.29.2014 , 11:39 PM | #2
Got two more tips.

Brontes - Focus target her (which is generally a good idea on any boss) and safe Force Armour for right after she casts her 1s Arcing Assault which is followed by the 4s channel Arcing Assault, the FA will pretty much neutralise 2 ticks and make the tank swap and raid healing (especially if Kephess is out) much less demanding.

Tyrans - keep an eye on DPS/healers getting Affliction and Force Armour them, this will outright neutralise one of the ticks and lower the second, making healing them much less of a priority and hassle in this already fairly chaotic fight (when it comes to healing). Tanks are more likely to have FA reapplied on 'cd' due to unpredictability of Thundering Blast (I guess there is a timer on it but I never really timed it myself. Also no WoW raid overlays with timers which would make it trivial)

Also do you have any data which shows whether FA is actually useful on the healing challenge, I in fact stopped using it because I never saw any appreciable difference in the rate the Victim takes damage. I tend to just go Rej-HT-FP-Del-Del and repeat (without FP of course) with going in at high Force and the regaining it afterwards. I am very opposed to using Salvation on less than 3 targets =D.
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Orderken
02.01.2014 , 04:56 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Dreselus View Post
Also do you have any data which shows whether FA is actually useful on the healing challenge, I in fact stopped using it because I never saw any appreciable difference in the rate the Victim takes damage. I tend to just go Rej-HT-FP-Del-Del and repeat (without FP of course) with going in at high Force and the regaining it afterwards. I am very opposed to using Salvation on less than 3 targets =D.
I have no data regarding Force Armor and Raptus's healing challenge. I'd assumed that Force Armor is effective, because it disappears quickly. I'm now skeptical, however, because videos from Sage healers show the Dying Captive losing health despite having Force Armor. The bug could be that (a) Force Armor is effective but disappears later than it should or (b) Force Armor has no effect but disappears, as though it had been consumed.

Though using Salvation to provide effective healing to fewer than 3 allies is usually poor technique, one exception is Raptus's healing challenge, provided that you use it early in the challenge. In BIS gear, and without relic use or proc, Adrenal, Mental Alacrity, Shadow's Shelter, or Inspiration, the expected single-target HPCT of our abilities is:

  1. Salvation with Resplendence (15104, 7552, and 6713 with 2, 1, and 3 charges, respectively),
  2. Force Mend (6419),
  3. Healing Trance with Conveyance (5056),
  4. Salvation without Resplendence (5035),
  5. Force Armor (4977),
  6. Rejuvenate (4664 if you don't clip its HOT),
  7. Benevolence with Conveyance (4630),
  8. Deliverance with Force Potency (4450),
  9. Healing Trance without Conveyance (4420),
  10. Benevolence without Conveyance (3441),
  11. Deliverance without Force Potency (3307), and
  12. Force Wave (1488).

Salvation's HPF is very low for the healing challenge, of course, so I recommend omitting it from your rotation once you can pass the healing challenge without it.
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johnterminus
02.07.2014 , 01:25 AM | #4
First, thank you for the great guide. Its the best available.

I'm still looking for something that I used to use with a different game. It was a macro that allowed me to stay targeted on my tank, and if I ever wanted to toss a heal to a dps or other party/raid member I would simply MOUSE-OVER that person's character or party UI slot and hit whatever ability. It worked for casting dmg spells on enemies, as well, all the while never un-targeting my tank. There were other slick commands, too, but that one is just awesome.

Anyone know if this game has something like it? Even if not via macro support, maybe within their UI somehow..

Thank you.

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Darth_Dreselus
02.07.2014 , 10:11 AM | #5
Sadly no mouse over healing and macros are outright banned. An option is to use the F keys (default) to target group members if you know their position. Another option is to use focus target on your tank and then use focus target modifier (its Home/End or something silly by default, so may need to rebind). I have gotten used to just clicking the raid frames but would be happy for mouse over healing.
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Orderken
02.07.2014 , 10:45 AM | #6
johnterminus, I'm not aware of any such capability. I'd suggest posting your question here for greater visibility, but I see that you've found this thread on your own.

The UI's limited options, lack of support for macros, and lack of support for add-ons bothered me a great deal at first, but I adapted more easily and quickly than I'd anticipated. I'm sure you will, as well.
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Selenial
02.08.2014 , 01:10 PM | #7
Really good guide, I came here looking for your BIS stuff just to see, but read the guide anyway.

Only thing I could find that I'd correct would be you saying using Force Wave + Salvation at the same time is stupid.

For certain fights where AOE damage is pretty large, IE Nefra, Bestia, etc, using one after the other is pretty good, especially if (or when) the majority of your DPS are at about 50% HP.

Either way, great guide! 10/10
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Orderken
02.08.2014 , 08:48 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial View Post
For certain fights where AOE damage is pretty large, IE Nefra, Bestia, etc, using one after the other is pretty good, especially if (or when) the majority of your DPS are at about 50% HP.
I agree. In such circumstances, I usually use Force Wave and Salvation back-to-back. It's unlikely that either will overheal.

The guide carves out an exception for such circumstances:
Quote: Originally Posted by Orderken View Post
Unless your raid has been or is being devastated by AOE damage, using Force Wave immediately before or after Salvation is poor technique.
Perhaps "devastated" is too strong. I'll clarify this when I next update the guide.
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Orderken
02.10.2014 , 04:47 PM | #9
Today I updated Section "PVE" of the guide.
  1. Based on feedback from Darth_Dreselus, I expanded "Tips for Certain Bosses" and Topic 5 of "Playing Like an Expert" to cover more best practices for Force Armor.
  2. Based on feedback from Selenial, I clarified a topic discussed under "Rotation".

Thank you both for your feedback.

(And a belated thank you to AdrianDmitruk, based on whose feedback I'd updated "Skill Points" of Section "PVP" of the guide.)
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Cheveu
02.13.2014 , 03:58 AM | #10
Very nice guide, just dinged 55 myself and I've been looking for help since it's my first char on swtor.
You're not covering Crew Skill in the guide, and I wondered if there were mandatory Crew Skills that a healing Sage (both PVP and PVE) should take.
Thanks again for the guide.