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Plague persists through death but vaccine doesn't?

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Plague persists through death but vaccine doesn't?

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Andryah
01.21.2014 , 11:38 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by keitzy View Post
The whole point of this thread was to express my frustration at the devs as it was a problem last time in the first rak event and it's made even worse now.
Yeah, I totally got the frustration part.
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AdrianDmitruk
01.21.2014 , 11:50 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Correct.. there ARE expenses in this game, and they are costly at level 55 to be gearing to the max.

But all that aside.... if you want to be playing your level 15 character in PvP during the event... surely you can peel enough credits from the rest of your characters to do it style, while coping with the PvP nuance of everyone deliberately infecting each other as part of PvP. Come on.. you know I'm right.. and it's more about the annoyance factor for you.. not the economics. I get the annoying part, I do.

Let's see if Tait responds to my thread over in bug-report so at least we know if it is intended or not. Let's work the issue, not each other, IMO.
So OP came in here and said he wasn't a new player. Server transferring/not being able to simply send more credits over had given me just a bit of empathy for those new, fresh 15s without a support system, I suppose.

But he did say it was a credit sink on top of a bunch of other credit sinks, one he just didn't need to deal with. And I happen to agree with that.

Yet somehow calling the 2k credits a credit sink, i.e. calling a spade a spade, is weak sauce?

Hmm, if I have a couple hours and I want to level by PVP...

4 warzones/hour*3 deaths each*2k=24k credits per hour.
(let's say in lowbie those warzones pay an average of 1.5k each, for really low levels that is quite a generous assumption, for a net loss of 18k credits per hour)

Of course deaths, and corresponding costs, will probably be much higher for classes that cannot heal to full.

A new player just trying out new things within the game, will not be able to absorb that at all. I still remember how long it took my first toon to get the 25k to train the first level of speeder piloting. Losing two-thirds of that within an hour is going to turn a lowbie without access to support from friends away from PVP really quickly.

Even if my lowbie was still on the same server as my 55s, warzones barely pay enough to cover the credit sink of mod ripping as it is. I craft but, as OP stated, much of the output goes to keep the guild bank topped off and guild leaders happy. I basically only sell enough crafting output to cover the costs of such crafting, unless I notice no one uses my crafting output (seldom happens) in which case I can sell more.

Yes I can run dailies to pay for this but I despise dailies. I'm not even inclined to run the rakghoul event to grind rep therefor unless and until Bioware gives us legacy offhands, which didn't happen, and the only reason why I bothered with it on my lowbie on Ebon Hawk is because it's another source of XP that doesn't result in me dying 10+ times an hour and thus having to replenish the vaccine that often. I despise running dailies and I don't want to run the same planet quests for the 14th time.

Ordinarily I'd fill in the gaps from the class quest XP with warzones, maybe the odd flashpoint here and there, but it's looking like my options are pretty much GSF (on a new server with no ship upgrades, not too appetizing) or running the event itself. I'm not thrilled about the leveling options I prefer suddenly becoming too expensive for me to do (be it by drawing down my credits or forcing me to grind credits doing activities I find undesirable).
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Andryah
01.21.2014 , 11:54 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by AdrianDmitruk View Post
/snip for brevity
Sorry, but no matter how you try to spin it or how much you fluff it up with words..... 2K =/= a credit sink in this game.

There are many many credit sinks in this game to be sure.. but the plague vaccine is not one of them. It is an annoyance to be sure, and in PvP more so.

The frustration of having to deal with constant plague contagion in PvP, I understand completely. PvP can be a very annoying facet of this game in so many ways. As I stated earlier it's possible non-persistence was a dev oversight, OR by intention to spice up the PvP. I have an open thread in the bug report forum asking them to let us know which it is.
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AdrianDmitruk
01.22.2014 , 12:16 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Sorry, but no matter how you try to spin it or how much you fluff it up with words..... 2K =/= a credit sink in this game.

There are many many credit sinks in this game to be sure.. but the plague vaccine is not one of them. It is an annoyance to be sure, and in PvP more so.

The frustration of having to deal with constant plague contagion in PvP, I understand completely. PvP can be a very annoying facet of this game in so many ways. As I stated earlier it's possible non-persistence was a dev oversight, OR by intention to spice up the PvP. I have an open thread in the bug report forum asking them to let us know which it is.
Uh I'm not even sure you realize what a credit sink is. Anything that removes credits from the game economy is a sink--the vaccine could only cost 1 credit and still it would be a credit sink.

Now we can argue all day as to whether the magnitude of the credit sink is significant or not. To a wealthy 55, it's not. To a new player, it is. Even though it's small in nominal terms it's one of the most regressive credit sinks the developers could have come up with, in that it hits those newest to the game the hardest, while leaving those who are well-established and wealthy almost completely untouched, and therefore is not good game design.
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teclado
01.22.2014 , 12:29 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Sorry, but no matter how you try to spin it or how much you fluff it up with words..... 2K =/= a credit sink in this game.
I don't know why people have to say this over and over again. If you want to do warzones, you're going to die somewhere around 10-20 times per match. Let's say 15 on average. If you run 5 warzones in an evening, that will probably cost you around 15 x 5 x 2K = 150K credits. That's way freaking more than 2K. On my main characters, I don't even have 150K at the moment because I just spent almost everything I had on augments. So the bottom line: this stupid event means I can't play warzones. Thanks a freaking lot.
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DarthVindictus
01.22.2014 , 12:32 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
This is SWTOR. 2K is not a credit sink in this game, except maybe your first week as a new player.

Besides, most subs posting here in the forum have plenty of wealth on at least one character. And if for whatever reason they do not... then they have yet to learn to play the game. Part of playing any MMO, regardless how you spend most of your time (PvP, PvE, /Picking-Nose_On-Fleet) is to develop at least one manageable income stream.

Should the vaccine persist through death... /shrug.
Is 2K for a vaccine griefing the player base? NO.
I'd say taking money out of other player's pockets for your own joy is griefing.

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OddballEasyEight
01.22.2014 , 12:33 AM | #27
Wait...

Is this the part where PvE players get to call PvP'ers "carebears"?

On a more serious note tho, I do think they will fix the vaccine not lasting through death in a patch. I doubt they did it on purpose.

But it is kinda fun seeing all those PvP players who tend to be very "you're such a carebear" and "just live with it" when it comes to PvP'ers griefing during the Gree event, now standing on the other side of the fence and complaining about how unfair it is :P

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AdrianDmitruk
01.22.2014 , 12:38 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by OddballEasyEight View Post
Wait...

Is this the part where PvE players get to call PvP'ers "carebears"?

On a more serious note tho, I do think they will fix the vaccine not lasting through death in a patch. I doubt they did it on purpose.

But it is kinda fun seeing all those PvP players who tend to be very "you're such a carebear" and "just live with it" when it comes to PvP'ers griefing during the Gree event, now standing on the other side of the fence and complaining about how unfair it is :P
Nice stereotyping there.

I don't run into your AOEs to flag you. I'm on 2 RP-PVE servers and I don't even care what the PVErs are doing.

I simply want the option to level through warzones because I find it more fun than leveling through questing (once I've already done the quests on earlier characters anyway).

The PVPers who AOE-flag you are probably the same PVPers blowing themselves up and spreading the plague and ensuring that warzones will be very expensive for everyone who doesn't want to get stunned every 4 seconds, all the while laughing manically in the process.
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QuevvenXiltyn
01.22.2014 , 03:51 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
This is SWTOR. 2K is not a credit sink in this game, except maybe your first week as a new player.
Unless you are like me. Typically, gathering 2K from all my toons means I'm going to be stuck on some planet or other, because none of my toons will end up with enough to travel anywhere...

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Khaleijo
01.22.2014 , 04:24 AM | #30
Maybe i don't get it what the problem is, but i don't use the vaccine while queing for Warzones with my alts.
I die so often in low level pvp anyway, that it doesn't matter to me if there are a couple more deaths due to the plague. The interrupts are sometimes inconvenient, but on the other hand as most of the others are infected too, it is still sort of fair and sometimes even more fun, because the outcome of fights isn't as predictable as without the plague.
And if i loose... so what, i don't play low level pvp to win, i just want to have fun with a little skirmish.
Because of this i only need one vaccine when im finished with pvp and want to go questiing again. No need to spend a fortune.