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Sith Warrior a Darth or Lord?

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Sith Warrior a Darth or Lord?

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Darth_Wicked
03.17.2014 , 09:26 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
This exactly. And it's all because of the prequels. Before they came out, it seems like most of the Sith Lords in the EU were not Darths. They had names like Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Ulic-Qel Droma, Marka Ragnos, Tulak Hord, and Freedon Nadd. Then Lucas came out with Darth Sidious and Darth Maul and suddenly the idea that Darth was a title and not Vader's first name became prevalent throughout Star Wars canon.

BioWare greatly added to this with KOTOR. And the lore hasn't been the same since. I've always maintained that the title Darth should only be reserved for the leader of the Sith Order, such as the Emperor and his Wrath. Everyone else would be Lords.

By having so many Darths running around it completely dilutes the effect of seeing one. A Darth is the face of darkness in Star Wars and the main evil - The Enemy so to speak. But now it's just a title that basically just means "General".
That is ironic in a way, since the Emperor was never actually a Darth but rather given the title of Lord by Marka Ragnos. After the end of the Great Hyperspace War, he just appointed himself as the Emperor, following his ritual on Nathema.

Also, it should be pointed out that former Dark Lords, such as Naga Sadow or Marka Ragnos, didn't exactly agreed on that, so much that Gnost-Dural mentions it in one of his diaries...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVqXt2Vj3J0#t=04m49s

Shame it's never actually further explored and / or expanded in the actual game.
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Beniboybling
03.17.2014 , 11:40 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
This exactly. And it's all because of the prequels. Before they came out, it seems like most of the Sith Lords in the EU were not Darths. They had names like Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Ulic-Qel Droma, Marka Ragnos, Tulak Hord, and Freedon Nadd. Then Lucas came out with Darth Sidious and Darth Maul and suddenly the idea that Darth was a title and not Vader's first name became prevalent throughout Star Wars canon.

BioWare greatly added to this with KOTOR. And the lore hasn't been the same since. I've always maintained that the title Darth should only be reserved for the leader of the Sith Order, such as the Emperor and his Wrath. Everyone else would be Lords.

By having so many Darths running around it completely dilutes the effect of seeing one. A Darth is the face of darkness in Star Wars and the main evil - The Enemy so to speak. But now it's just a title that basically just means "General".
Apologies but this is just wrong. The Darth title became a title was conceived way back in gosh darn 1978 when Lucas decided that Vader was Luke's father and his name was therefore Anakin Skywalker.

The meaning of the title Darth really hasn't changed fundamentally since it was first conceived. It is and always has been a Sith title used by certain Sith Lords that precedes their Sith name. And it always has been a symbol of power and supremacy over others and over fellow Sith. All the EU has done is explained how the usage of the title has changed and evolved over millennia, always fundamentally being the same thing, but used in different contexts.

And that seems pretty swell to me, history is not static, you can't expect everything to always be the same. For example this idea that the Darth title has been "diluted" is exactly what Bane believed and what started the Rule of Two.

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Kaisernick
03.17.2014 , 12:09 PM | #43
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Because people threw a fit over it. But no matter how much we ask for it, Bounty Hunter players still haven't gotten a "The Mandalorian" title.
im not happy they removed it, neither am i happy they removed jedi general i would play a dark jedi just for general i much prefer it.
they really need to add these in hell they would make us pay a little i bet they never considered that

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Maullum
04.14.2014 , 06:17 AM | #44
In this era, the Cold War era, Darth is a preceding title literally meaning Dark Lord of the Sith. In the Sith heirarchy, a Darth's political clout and power exceeds that of a Lord, and it seems due to empirical evidence that Darth titles are bestowed upon those who have bested a former Darth (i.e. nullified the power of their direct superior). Compared to the Jedi Order a Darth=Master.

Lord is a title under Darth and also is a naming convention. I.e. "My lord" when referring to apprentices and up.

In the era of the 6 movies, a Darth is a title bestowed amongst any Sith, while lord is just a naming convention. Lord is not a title, it is like Sir when one is referring to a knight or His/Her Majesty when one is referring to the monarch of Britain. What people seem to forget is that during the later era of Bane and the era of the movies, the Sith in question ascribed to the Rule of Two. That again, there are only ever two Sith (Maul's time being an exception), both Sith were referred to as Darth. Being bestowed Darth meant that you were officially an apprentice.

Comparing the movies uses of Darth to SWTOR use of it is apples and oranges. The title was differently, as, unlike the Jedi, the Sith have constantly been shifting the terms of their existence. There have been groups like the Cold War era Sith, big and diverse, to the Rule of Two, master and apprentice, to the Rule of One (whose power structure I know nothing about).

Now about the actual topic, despite what happened in Beta, the SW is a Darth. He usurped a former Darth and also, unlike Lord Scourge, is very formally recognised by the Council. For that to happen, he would be named a Darth so the Councillors wouldn't lose face inviting them to their tea parties.
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Beniboybling
04.14.2014 , 09:05 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Maullum View Post
Now about the actual topic, despite what happened in Beta, the SW is a Darth. He usurped a former Darth and also, unlike Lord Scourge, is very formally recognised by the Council. For that to happen, he would be named a Darth so the Councillors wouldn't lose face inviting them to their tea parties.
Well actually I've recently noticed that your Sith Warrior is addressed as "Lord" in those chapter cards/intros of whatever you call them. So I think its possible he/she may be a Lord, but can easily be RPed as a Darth.

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Darkelefantos
04.15.2014 , 02:46 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Well actually I've recently noticed that your Sith Warrior is addressed as "Lord" in those chapter cards/intros of whatever you call them. So I think its possible he/she may be a Lord, but can easily be RPed as a Darth.
Considering you get the "Darth" title for your efforts, I think the Warrior would be a Darth, if he wasn't the Emperor's Wrath. As Baras' former apprentice and his killer/usurper, I'd say he could have been on the Council if he wasn't already something greater .
And later he's addressed only as "Wrath", maybe once or twice as "My lord Wrath".
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