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Low fps, gpu or cpu related?

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Low fps, gpu or cpu related?

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Heppuli
12.24.2013 , 03:43 AM | #1
So, as the title says, I got a problem with my fps. Specs are as follows; AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE 3.04Ghz, 8G DDR2 ram, ATI Radeon HD 4890 1G OC, Win 7 64 home premium(?). As you can see, the computer is old. Still, everywhere I've read it says that a quadcore processor at/over 3Ghz should have no problems playing this game. Also, benchmarking tests show that ati 5770 should be capable of keeping fps over 30 with high graphics and some AA. and 4890 is somewhat better than 5770.

As it stands, my fps is fine when outdoors and alone. Questing and leveling is fairly good. But, when I go to the fleet or play warzones, it drops to 15-20. In fact, when in combat fps is always under 30.. charging with marauder isn't smooth, it glitches annoyingly. Lowering graph settings has NO increase in fps, and this bugs me the most. Shouldn't my specs at least be able to put 60fps with very low graphs, when various sites state that high graphs are possible with the hardware.

I've tried swtor unleashed to no use, my aero disables when I go play the game, and I've tried every setting option available... Any ideas why the game doesn't run smooth when it should, or is the hardware just too old?

Thanks in advance.
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OddballEasyEight
12.24.2013 , 04:03 AM | #2
Since you cite fleet and WZ's as the troubled areas, I suspect it might have more to do with your internet than your computer. What kind of internet connection do you have?

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Heppuli
12.24.2013 , 05:10 AM | #3
I got a 100/5 broadband connection, so latency is not the issue.
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MandFlurry
12.24.2013 , 05:29 AM | #4
Okay, I think this games Engine uses more for the CPU than than the GPU/GPUs, any1 plz correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm inetrested in what kind of CPU you have, how old and what Internet provider to.

I do know from most ppl telling, is that it isn't usually ppls GPUs, but the EA servers that are used to run the game, so if ur on Fleet it doesn't matter how good ur card is because the EA servers are the problem. For me I have 2 Nividia 680s and I can get over 100fps if I boosted my GPUs, but I don't need it really. 1 guys with the 680s from Nvidia gets over 111fps, which can be overkill, but ppl have their wants and desires. Me I also have and Intel 2770 OC Ivy Bridge.

If I want to I can boost up my CPU, but I really don't need to. Have u gotten ur latest GPU and Motherboard drivers.??

P.S. Btw ur card should be able to handle 60fps okay, unless u have a lot of background programs going at once, or even maybe not enough Memory. Don't know how much Memory u have though.
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Sydexlic
12.24.2013 , 05:51 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by MandFlurry View Post
Okay, I think this games Engine uses more for the CPU than than the GPU/GPUs, any1 plz correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm inetrested in what kind of CPU you have, how old and what Internet provider to.

I do know from most ppl telling, is that it isn't usually ppls GPUs, but the EA servers that are used to run the game, so if ur on Fleet it doesn't matter how good ur card is because the EA servers are the problem. For me I have 2 Nividia 680s and I can get over 100fps if I boosted my GPUs, but I don't need it really. 1 guys with the 680s from Nvidia gets over 111fps, which can be overkill, but ppl have their wants and desires. Me I also have and Intel 2770 OC Ivy Bridge.

If I want to I can boost up my CPU, but I really don't need to. Have u gotten ur latest GPU and Motherboard drivers.??

P.S. Btw ur card should be able to handle 60fps okay, unless u have a lot of background programs going at once, or even maybe not enough Memory. Don't know how much Memory u have though.
He listed explicitly what components he has...

Anyway, it's more a case of everything being a little long in the tooth. From having owned a similar spec system myself several years ago, everything in that system is quite well matched to everything else. Upgrading one component and leaving the others alone will likely provide a marginal benefit to your performance at best. Having said that, your GPU is probably the most likely candidate for upgrade if you were to pick one component to improve on.

Also, you can try lowering your in game settings to make warzones and operations flow a bit more fluidly or you can try squeeze some more performance out of your system by overclocking various components. The Phenom is a wonderful chip for overclocking and I was able to get my old 965 BE to over 4GHz on air cooling but do your research on how to do this safely and know that you could be causing permanent damage to your computer if you get it wrong.

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Heppuli
12.24.2013 , 06:12 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Sydexlic View Post
He listed explicitly what components he has...



1. Also, you can try lowering your in game settings to make warzones and operations flow a bit more fluidly


2. or you can try squeeze some more performance out of your system by overclocking various components. The Phenom is a wonderful chip for overclocking and I was able to get my old 965 BE to over 4GHz on air cooling but do your research on how to do this safely and know that you could be causing permanent damage to your computer if you get it wrong.
1.That's the problem; there's almost no difference in fps when I go from low to high. I am keeping blur and shadows already off and those should be the major draws for GPU..

2. Been thinking this aswell, but the thing is that the CPU us black edition, meaning it's already clocked to some degree, above the average clocks. So should be enough on that part.

First I just want to know if there's some setting that I can change for the fps to get better. If the hardware is the problem, then I deal with that and wait for a possibility to buy a new computer. Just can't understand why my specs can't deal with the game when many say it should.
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Malastare
12.24.2013 , 06:27 AM | #7
While the above poster is correct, in that you're running a bit short in a number of categories, we can diagnose the most critical issue just by looking at the symptoms: Fleet was designed as a graphically easy environment. It's far less demanding than places like Alderaan or Voss with their tress, grass, and more complex geometry. What the Fleet does have that those planets don't is loads of extra game characters.

So, if you're having framerate issues on the Fleet, the component being stressed is most likely your CPU, as it has to continuously recalculate the position, animation, and character data of all the players in the area. Yes, its a quad core at 3GHz, but that isn't so far above the minimums, as there is no large benefit to a quad core over a dual core (in this game). The issue is the 3GHz speed, and the fact that AMD's processors of that generation weren't close to the performance of similar Intel chips. That 3GHz chip is probably performing as well as a 2.4GHz Intel chip released at the same time. The comparison isn't that simple, but it's a rough estimate.

There are some things you can do to make it easier on your CPU. Turning off nameplates or reducing various draw distances can help, but I don't know how much.

And it has nothing to do with your internet connection. SWTOR uses less than 1Mb/s. I don't know why people keep suggesting that. Well, I do know why, but it makes me sad, so I try not to think about it.

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Heppuli
12.24.2013 , 06:54 AM | #8
Thanks for the info Malastare. That's really sad if the CPU is as bad as you're saying.. but I've thought about the idea that the game can't properly use all 4 cores, because they aren't at 100% capacity while I play, even at fleet. I remember toying with nameplates when the game was new, and if I remember correctly it had no effect. But I will try again. Is there any other way other than clocking the CPU to make it more effective? Anything I can do in BIOS perhaps?

Thanks in advance.
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Osoygatitalove
12.24.2013 , 06:58 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Heppuli View Post
So, as the title says, I got a problem with my fps. Specs are as follows; AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE 3.04Ghz, 8G DDR2 ram, ATI Radeon HD 4890 1G OC, Win 7 64 home premium(?). As you can see, the computer is old. Still, everywhere I've read it says that a quadcore processor at/over 3Ghz should have no problems playing this game. Also, benchmarking tests show that ati 5770 should be capable of keeping fps over 30 with high graphics and some AA. and 4890 is somewhat better than 5770.

As it stands, my fps is fine when outdoors and alone. Questing and leveling is fairly good. But, when I go to the fleet or play warzones, it drops to 15-20. In fact, when in combat fps is always under 30.. charging with marauder isn't smooth, it glitches annoyingly. Lowering graph settings has NO increase in fps, and this bugs me the most. Shouldn't my specs at least be able to put 60fps with very low graphs, when various sites state that high graphs are possible with the hardware.

I've tried swtor unleashed to no use, my aero disables when I go play the game, and I've tried every setting option available... Any ideas why the game doesn't run smooth when it should, or is the hardware just too old?

Thanks in advance.
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Yakito
12.24.2013 , 07:07 AM | #10
I have the same issue. My game runs a bit better on high than low settings, but I always keep Shaders and Shadows on low,off respectively.
My laptop runs all the other games well, but ToR is a pain in the A. And it's no "Witcher 2", is it? It's a game with mediocre unoptimized graphic engine which is pretty much a joke for a game that costed so much money.


Anyway... I've already been told that my CPU is the issue for ToR, but I don't think I am going to upgrade it JUST for ToR when I can run other games just fine.

i5 M430 - 2.27GHz
Ati Mobility Radeon HD 5870
8 Gig of RAM

Couldn't Bioware just reduce the CPU load of this game? Of course they could, but whatever. The fact that they chose one of the worst Graphic Engines for one of the most expensive games in history is pretty much a joke to me.